lisa riley is so she had professor of medieval art in architecture at the university of virginia professorrather we appreciate you taking the time to talk with us and sharing your insights thank you thank you. we here in germany very growing criticism of how the state treats migrants who are seeking asylum in twenty eighteen authorities say they considered more than two hundred thousand applications for silent more than a third were rejected but before a decision is ever made migrants can spend weeks or months in what are called holding centers need to be used as a clora valter reports on those centers from the very insulting. behind this fence nice to fill some slowpoke refugee camp where putas are not allowed inside so forth the residents meet us here because they fear of reprisals from the authorities they wish to remain anonymous you go to the bathroom and notice that about fifty or even one hundred people are using the same toilet infections are everywhere if i want to see a doctor i have to get up at around one in the morning and get in line but when the clinic opens fifty people are

we have professor of the architectural history, lisa riley.hanks for joining us. >> thanks for having me. charles: everyone heard of it. everyone seen it but the magnitude of the notre dame cathedral, explain it to our audience, please? >> it is one of the kind of signature buildings of the middle ages. i tell people i'm a medieval architectural historian, could be a conversation stopper, you study the notre dame, everybody knows. that is why the support for it is very generous. for the french nation that is heart of identity. it is cathedral not just of paris but all france. they talked about how distances from paris are measured from notre dame out. it is seen as the key building. mid 19th century restoration was very deliberate to construct it as the image of france. charles: of course of course macron saying no one can describe the pain. it is epicenter of the french people. 13 million people visited a lot of things were saved including the crown of thorns. as a historian how does that make you feel, when we saw the images yesterday it fel