contradictory to our sovereignty and i'm sure that if this is brought into the debate by altering the lisbon treaty and many countries that is maybe governments will go ahead but there are there are people's will say no and therefore for such an important step for such an import alteration of this when treaty we should have referendums in various countries. yeah absolutely mad mad mad mad max i mean are you going to add that there is something i mean in order to know what's happening it's good if you have some knowledge about it when it comes to the least country to be fooled that you have the stability pact which gave formula that commission the right to impose fines on deuce countries that have two big deficits that was not done and you can see that one should have been more sort of eager and for. the rules this is not something that was installed with the lisbon treaty that was existed in this debility pact and the stability pact was not deficient enough that something then when it comes to the national governments national governments have more power no in the least been treated than they had p

back to rostock i'm neutral about remind you we're talking about the amendments being made to the lisbon treaty. but before let's see what russians think about the e.u. the pressure is mounting the global financial crisis has plunged the european union into survival mode testing their lives the treaty as well the two took effect on december first two thousand and nine eight years after european leaders longs a process to make the e.u. more democratic more transparent and more efficient the russian public opinion research center says the editor of citizens does the european union fifty five percent say they have positive feelings while another thirteen percent feel negative facing the eurozone crisis the e.u. is also facing the necessity to amend the treaty. stuff and if i can go back to you are going back to this bailout clause i mean it seems that you going to have to have carrots also now so if a country doesn't do what it's supposed to be looking at brussels acting like the i.m.f. in europe ok they'll be. strings attached may be interesting to me chains attached ok to they changed my organiz

stephan what about you i mean do you support this new clause being brought into the lisbon treaty don't you. i think it's very important for us to say that the reason why we have a list when treaties to make you more efficient in decision making and more democratic and i think that is absolutely what has happened. in the in power since exactly one year it was the first of december last year that it came into power so i think that is something which is very important to deal with robert what do you think of it and of course then of our i think that was one of the most ridiculous comments i've ever heard to argue that the lisbon treaty which was brought in without having a referendum in many of the countries which were promised referendums especially in great britain france also when the irish rejected the lisbon treaty and had to vote again to argue the lisbon treaty makes the e.u. more democratic and accountable is put to us that is absurd argument that is absolutely bizarre and totally fine i think it has a very very long staff and go ahead you want to it is going to feel it how can th

keen to amend the lisbon treaty to allow bailouts to cash strapped neighbors host peter lavelle asks his guests whether this heralds the end of the organization as a whole coming your way in half a minute. keep . a low in welcome to cross talk i am peter lavelle european union leaders need to consider what is called a minor change to the lisbon treaty that minor changes a guaranteed financial bailout of weaker members is this legitimizing moral hazard and is it even.

we shouldn't have a democratic vote on it well i'll give you one constitutional reason and the lisbon treaty you said successive leaders have promised a referendum of course that's true but since the implementation of that has been cheating that's become rather a moot point as now do you think we missed the boat on a referendum no i don't i think gordon brown had absolutely no right to sign the lisbon treaty stroke constitution it was the same thing at the manifesto commitment by labels to have a referendum on that they played with words david cameron played with words once he got into power he said oh no we cannot we're now because he's been ratified he could say he could have said yes we can't just what nick clegg wanted one of the straight in or out so no this is why our campaign is so simple laura it's a straight show we stay well shall we go down the clash over punk rock song group used to sing that's where we keep an eye on that so the man in the street can understand it we don't want to get carried away with this treaty that constitutional that discussion let's center on the basic fac

kingdom and the lisbon treaty to allow bailouts to cash strapped neighbors people of asks with his microphone on whether this heralds the end of the organization as a whole that's coming your way less than half a minute from now for me good night.

they agreed to a minor -- to minor changes to the lisbon treaty to help solve sovereign debt problems. some countries are calling for joint eurobonds, but the angela merkel opposes that idea. >> european leaders have their sights set on achieving their best terms for the euro. they are bent to restoring peace after the dispute over the eurobond. >> i want to give a clear signal of unity for europe and the euro. we irresponsibility for sound economic management and solidarity -- we have responsibility for sound economic management and solidarity. >> if they want to create a permanent stability mechanism for struggling eu members. there is agreement that is needed, but how is the divisive issue. >> we do need a new mechanism to help the euro zone a sort out its problems and issues. that is important for britain, but we do need to make sure that britain is not liable to spend money under that mechanism. >> while heated debate is expected about how the system will operate, it is likely to take place behind closed doors. ropean leaders and know that financial markets want signs of resoluti

i often taxpayers' money i mean i seriously have a real nice re-establish minor change to the lisbon treaty that minor change is a guarantee financial bailout of weaker members is this widget amazing moral. home. in india policies are made of the move go on both.

. >> eu leaders have agreed to make changes to the lisbon treaty to create permanent rescue mechanism for eurozone countries in financial difficulties. they make loans to the greek and irish economies earlier this year. there are worries that countries like portugal and spain could still be in trouble. >> the eurozone continues to cause control, with national debts and deficits soaring above you targets. financial problems in greece and ireland have led to emergency bailout totaling tens of billions of duress. eu leaders meeting in brussels have agreed to set up a permanent scheme to help any eurozone countries with dangerous debts. >> to make sure we are fully prepared to defend the european union pay future -- the european union's future, we have agreed on a treaty change. the main features of the permanent mechanism to be in place from 2013. >> the permanent safety net will place a temporary 750 billion euro bailout fund. loans given to countries in distress are part of the new scheme. there will come with strict terms attached. >> we spoke this evening about how we would transform

it was we would not create a european state by accepting the lisbon treaty we now see that through the back door they are trying to make this this european project which is an economic project not a monetary project into a european state that's not only wrong. if i can project it's very early so i think if you see you so you're standing on is that it was a mistake joining some of you i don't know what exactly we're all supposed to say that you told my fiscal issues and taxation is a domestic issue which you have to remember you have to have a consensus on that if you. knew you were doing a you has a suit on taxation. to release countries to have higher corporation tax it controls it all into. taxation in close and increasing amount of peaceniks taxation so to all of you that taxation is so i would be. a bastard in second season is it's not. yes you can tune into the heated debate team crosstalk that seem just fifteen minutes time here on out. top afghan drug lord who's been in the u.s. prison since two thousand and eight was an informant for the cia and the drug enforcement administrat

missed the boat on a referendum no i don't think gordon brown had absolutely no right to sign the lisbon treaty stroke constitution it was the same thing the manifesto commitment by labels to have a referendum on that they played with words david cameron played with words you know if you are crashing and burning at the moment there's never been a chime a person's first to have the discussion arlen's and a lot of trouble at the moment in the e.u. in the i.m.f. of step ten to bail them out surely arland would be in a lot more trouble if they didn't have that kind of backup so isn't the e.u. a force for good i don't think we should be bailing out ireland i mean that's my own personal view i thought it is ironic i was watching the budget this week an island their stamp duty up to a million euros and one percent larger four percent to seven hundred fifty thousand by their child benefit is crazy them out they pay out in child benefit their corporation tax they keep it at twelve and a half percent no wonder countries are companies are relocated from germany from portugal from spain from the united kin

they agreed to a minor -- to minor changes to the lisbon treaty to help solve sovereign debt problems. some countries are calling for joint eurobonds, but the angela merkel opposes that idea. >> european leaders have their sights set on achieving their best terms for the euro. they are bent to restoring peace after the dispute over the eurobond. >> i want to give a clear signal of unity for europe and the euro. we irresponsibility for sound economic management and solidarity -- we have responsibility for sound economic management and solidarity. >> if they want to create a permanent stability mechanism for struggling eu members. there is agreement that is needed, but how is the divisive issue. >> we do need a new mechanism to help the euro zone a sort out its problems and issues. that is important for britain, but we do need to make sure that britain is not liable to spend money under that mechanism. >> while heated debate is expected about how the system will operate, it is likely to take place behind closed doors. european leaders and know that financial markets want signs of resolu

well during a nato summit in lisbon earlier this month barack obama said the new start treaty agreement with russia is absolutely essential for national security and the warming of relations between the two countries the treaty would see the nuclear arsenals of russia in the u.s. when asked by almost a third now to come in force it has to be ratified by the u.s. senate if you can't republicans including arizona senator john mccain said they would be open to voting on the treaty during the lame duck session but president obama still faces the task of persuading the rest of them to do so. now discussion over what is that stake surrounding the republicans threatened not to ratify the new start agreement with russia that's peter lavelle's crosstalk panel fired up that's coming up later here's a quick preview. there are enemies of an improved u.s. russia relationship in the united states but the point also has to be made that there are enemies of an improved u.s. russia relationship also in russia and i think this agreement by getting this agreement ratified we will open the doors for greate

treaty, but that is what they are working on. >> well, tom, i was in the nato summit in lisbon, and many of the allies believe it is an importantank you very much, tom. >>> and a new crackdown on the wikileaks, and the air force is taking dramatic action and we are digging deeper on that, and plus details of what bill clinton is doing to help payoff his wife's presidential campaign debt. it's red lobster's ultimae surf and turf event. with three seafood-and-steak combinations, all under $20! like succulent lobster and wood-grilled sirloin, or new chardonnay shrimp and sirloin. ends soon at red lobster. [ male announcer ] you know her. we know diamonds. together we'll make her holiday. that's why only zales is the diamond store. where you can get up to $1,000 off now through sunday. necessarily apply at 5. this is america, man. home of the highway... last minute detours and spontaneous acts of freedom. ♪ we're wanderers. wayfarers. even nomads. so doesn't it just make sense that we build an electric car... that goes...far. really far. ♪ >>> well, it is judgment time for the current congress. our jack cafferty is here with the ca

viewed the preamble to the start treaty as a binding commitment by us not to develop four stages of strategic missile defense. the administration told our nato allies in lisbon that we're going to consider the fourth stage, but not deploy it. i'm not going to vote for start until i hear from the russians that they understand we can develop four stages of missile defense, and if we do, they won't withdraw from the treaty. that amount that senator mccain offered to take the controversial language out of the preamble was defeated. but 40 senators support the idea of the preamble has to be changed. senator levin says if you take that language out, it distorts the treaty. so, in substance, we're a long way from there. we've had one vote on the start treaty in this lame duck. you say the lame duck walks. i think it's just been a hodgepodge of special interest politics. we still haven't funded the government. we've had six versions of the dream act. we tried an omnibus bill that blew up. so, there's been no serious debate on start. with 50 amendments left, i don't think you can have a serious debate between now and january 4. given the process and the substance, th

treaty could result in deteriorating u.s.-russian bilateral relations and adversely affect security of our partners in europe. i was pleased to see just last week at the nato summit in lisbon that all 28 nato allies expressed their unanimous support for senate ratification of the new start treaty. new start is in america's interest and as our allies in europe have stated clearly, new start is also in their interest. finally, a failure to ratify this treaty could have serious negative effects on our ability to meet the nuclear challenge posed by iran. the failure to rat fight start treat -- ratify the start treaty would -- support an exert increasing pressure on iran. and as we heard senator kerry reference earlier this morning, just today in "the washington post" five former secretaries of state of the past five republican administrations made a compelling case linking this treaty and the threats posed by iran and north korea. the consensus is clear, new start is in our national security interests and we should not wait any longer to ratify this treaty. our military and our intelligence communities do not want us to wait. our allies abroad and countless foreign policy expe

from the president, "the new start treaty places into limitations on the development or deployment of our missile defense programs. as the nato summit meeting in lisbon last month underscoardz, we're proceeding at base pace with the missile defense system in europe designed to provide full coverage for nato membersen the continent as well as deployed u.s. forces against the growing threat posed by proliferation of ballistic missiles. the final phase of the system will also augment our current defenses against intercontinental ballistic missiles from iran targeted against the united states. all nato allies agreed in lisbon that the growing threat of missile proliferation and our article v commitment of collective defense requires that the alliance develop a territorial missile defense capability." and it goes ton talk about that capability. then he says, and this is critical with respect to this debate, "as of today" -- the president's letter to the leadership. "in signing the new start treaty, the russian federation issued a statement that expressed its view that the extraordinary events referred to in article ivx require a buildup to the united stat

treaty. >> [speaking polish] >> translator: and we agree that would have been in lisbon was the renewal and the reaffirmation of the internal cohesion of the alliance and also that sense of the existence of nato as the alliance as going to defend the territorial integrity of its member states. >> [speaking polish] >> translator: and this is also connected with the reaffirmation of the necessity to implement the language from the contingency plans in the form of sex or size is also nato infrastructure in the territory of the member states. >> [speaking polish] >> translator: an element of this is also the american activity and presence in the form of the military participation both in europe and poland. >> [speaking polish] >> translator: nado now plays new rules, but it does not reject its old role, which continues as fundamental for its future. >> [speaking polish] >> translator: and i illustrate this to president obama in a very astute way, a very picturesque way. i simply said that if we are to go hunting very far away from our home we have to be absolutely sure that our house, our women

during last month's nato summit in lisbon, the nato security secretary general stated -- and i quote -- "the new start treaty would pave the way for arms control and disarmament initiatives in other areas vital to euro atlantic security." so, madam president, i think this is a key moment in the history of the united states senate. i know that there are many important votes that we take in the senate. there are many votes that we take that have very significant consequences. i think the ratification of this treaty is just one of those moments. i think it keeps us on path and enhances our credibility to make the world safer and do it in a twhaeu enhances the security -- in a way that enhances the security of the people of the united states of america. this is a treaty that needs to be ratified and needs to be ratified now. i urge my colleagues to vote in the interest of national security to move swiftly and pass this treaty. madam president, with that, i will yield the floor. the presiding officer: the senator from illinois. mr. durbin: madam president, i understand senator thune is the next to speak on the re

for the treaty does some of the treaty does not do, is supported by the secretary defends and the commander u.s. strategic. our allies also express report at the lisboniated by presidents ronald reagan and george h.w. bush was approved in 1992 by 93 votes to six. the moscow treaty negotiated by president george w. bush was approved by 95 to zero in 2003. it's time again in dod and the entire obama administration urging the senate to give its advice and send to ratification of the new s.t.a.r.t. treaty this year. thank you and alternate back to p. and take your questions. >> okay, thank you very much. [applause] [inaudible] >> could you please identify yourself? >> hello, may miss vince young can i work for the u.s. army active duty retired nationally, did 26 years with the nuclear biological chemical warfare. and having spent time over 10 years in europe, sitting on the border there and having been around the threat of russia, that's what we thought to protect for years. what is different today with the threat? i mean, that than we thought that, you know, anytime the russians russians and the warsaw countries could come across the border. and he said

of any aspect of the policy on the treaty, there are many people in this government who can answer those questions. it is our strong belief -- when we were in lisbon, as nato endorsed our missile defense policy, at the same time, they are arguing for the ratification of the start treaty. it is clear that the treaty and missile defense are not in competition with each other. >> bill richardson is in north korea. will you get a report -- >> he is on a private trip. it is not one that is in any way sanctioned by the u.s. government. >> with the move on don't ask/don't tell, what is the white house's message to service members who may be serving right now who may be in the closet, who may be gay or lesbian, or service members who may bhave been discharged for being gay or lesbian. as of wednesday morning, people who are gay and lesbian in the service can be open about who they are? will people will have been discharged be able to reapply? >> lawyers in this building and in the department of defense and in the department of justice are working through a long round larger implementation policy process. once the president signs the repeal into law. i wou

treaty. or the president would contradict the briefing at lisbon and contradict the u.s. signing statement and -- or, excuse me, would confirm the lisbon briefing and the signing statement and say we don't intend to deploy those, we only intend to deal with limited original threats -- limited or regional threats so the russians have nothing to worry about. the senate would be on positio position -- would be on record in an understanding accompanying the treaty that confirmed all of this, the senate would at least be on record. but that doesn't commit the president. so i think the only answer to avoid the confusion and to avoid any future president having pressure from the russians that they're going to withdraw is to just remove the language. i mean, that's the butte of th the -- of the author of the amendment. it takes out the -- it pulls the thorn so that the sting no longer can exist. mr. graham: as we play this out, i think there's a lot of bipartisan agreement that the united states needs to develop some form of missile defense. i know senator kerry does. i'm sure th

lisbon for the deployment of missile defense in europe. they understand exactly what they're doing -- we're doing, what our plans are, and notwithstanding that, they signed the treaty. so i think the comfort level of all of our military, of all those involved with the laboratories, all of those involved with the strategic command ought to speak for itself. i see that senator ensign is here so i will yield the floor. mr. ensign: madam president? the presiding officer: the senator from nevada. mr. ensign: madam president, i rise today to talk about this new start treaty and i have some very serious concerns about it. i appreciate the work that has been done by my colleagues. this is an incredibly serious issue. i think the motives, don't question anybody's motives, but i do think there are some serious flaws that lie not only within the four corners of the treaty text but also speak to the manner in which this administration has dealt with russia. this policy of russian reset has meant that the united states is making major concessions while our russian counterparts give up virtually nothing. further, i have serious reservations about the manner in which the senate i