of and so the founders, not wrongly, had this vision based on having dealt with a very literate populace, the population was a much higher literacy rate than in europe, and they obviously engaged in ideas, so the founders' vision was of enlightened leaders presiding over an educated populace. that was the vision. over the next two centuries, we would see that that vision was challenged, and it was challenged in two ways. the first way was in the second era i want to talk about in the 19th century. in the 19th century, i said there were two types of entertainment available at the time. the other type was live entertainment. and if a president wanted to get his message out, if he wanted to go and see and be seen, he couldn't go on youtube, he couldn't go on radio or tv, he went to where the people were. and the people were at live performances. so i tell the story of james monroe going around the country on a goodwill tour, and in each city he would go to, he would go to theatrical performances because that's where the people were. but theater is a very democratic, small d medium. in the t