lithium batteries have been problematic and it's a possibility here. >> lithium batteries are an incredible innovation of a modern age. they provide the most energy that is available, but with that being said, they have a long and sorted past to get into airplanes. they are extremely fragile. >> and volatile. >> extremely volatile depending on the mix and the circumstance. they can explode when they start to burn. they can burn in the thousands of degrees. recently the boeing 787 which say wonderful airplane largely powered by lithium batteries. sitting on the ground, it burned through the outer hole of the fuselage and destroyed an airplane. in this situation taking the latest news that is literally if lithium batteries were in the cargo hold and assuming that they overheated and weren't properly cooled and something happened, they have the capability to wreak havoc and destruction in that airplane and could singly account for what happened. we don't know. >> that doesn't explain the information that they picked up. they picked up a ping and it went to the points if there was -- if a lithi

, lithium batteries are more easily combustible.in, could the lithium batteries have sparked a fire and maybe filled the plane with smoke and incapacitated the pilots and passengers. what this doesn't explain is how the plane could have kept flying for seven hours and why there wasn't a may day call. with every theory you have, you can poke holes in it. just to be clear, the plane wasn't using the lithium batteries to power the electrical system. they were just being transported somewhere. they were in the cargo area. so just to make it clear to ou viewers, could those batteries spontaneously burst into flames somehow? >> well, it all depends on how they were packaged. we heard the malaysian airlines ceo say he was he was defending the way they were handled and packaged. they had a temporary suspension on the transport of lithium batteries in february, 2013, because there had been other crashes linked to the lithium batteries on the plane. there are tighter restrictions on that. it all ties back to that, carol. as you heard the ceo

inside is a lithium battery.when it gets too hot it ignites, just like this faa training video demonstrates. in the last two decades or so, the faa reports more than 140 incidents involving batteries in cargo or baggage. in most cases, the batteries were undeclared, baggage handlers noticed luggage on fire or hot to the touch. on board laptops, even flashlights started to smoke. even though lithium batteries can cause this, they're still allowed in electronics in the passenger cabin. but in 2008, the faa banned loose batteries in checked luggage, a limited amount of batteries are still allowed to be checked if packaged properly. the concern,they could short circuit. >> a short circuit could happen by chance. say a loose battery comes into contact with keys or coins or even jewelry, that can create a circuit or a path for electricity. the current flowing through that short circuit creates extreme heat leading to sparks and fire. >> lithium batteries burn so hot they can melt the body of a plane. >> nothing brings

we've been told there were a substantial number of lithium batteries on the plane. what does that mean and did that have anything to do with it? >> as far as the lithium batteries in the cargo hold, michael, and i think this is significant, if there was some sort of explosion or fire, lithium bat ris have been blamed for that in other crashes, how can the plane fly for five hours or so? even if there was a large box of lithium batteries in the cargo hold, it doesn't explain that. chuck barnett, i'll come back to you. we'll get your take on this new information. the breaking news we're covering in our special "situation room" report, much more right after this. ♪ [ chicken caws ] [ male announcer ] when your favorite food starts a fight, fight back fast with tums. heartburn relief that neutralizes acid on contact and goes to work in seconds. ♪ tum, tum tum tum tums! but something about spending this time together -- sailing past ancient glaciers in alaska -- makes you realize how old time is and how short life is. she can take all the time she wants. princess cruises

the report that lithium batteries were in the cargo hold, we know other crashes have been linked to lithiumteries. what do you make of this development? >> i think it's a very interesting other piece of the jigsaw to put on the table because a fire using lithium batteries is exactly the sort of incident that could overwhelm the jetliner causing the pilots to want to head back to the coast and back over land and there again you end up with this scenario of a series of events that overwhelmed the capacity of the pilots flying the plane. what is really significant as we come to the end of this week, wolf, is that we've started to get some really useful, good information. now, it doesn't matter whether it's come as a result of it being handed to the -- interpreted by the nts sbrks and the americans or the europeans or the malaysians, it doesn't really matter. the fact is we end the week with a much better idea of the scenarios of where this plane is than we did at the beginning of the week. although we don't know exactly, wolf, we are in an immeasurably better position than we were 24, 48, 72 h

malaysian officials confirm lithium-ion batteries were on board.are not regarded as dangerous goods. they are band by faa. is this part of the disappearance? we'll be back. you created light. you are loved. celebrated. but things have changed since you got into this business. at philips, we're creating led light that people can color... adjust... even make beautiful sunsets. dear sun, you might be number one, but we're getting closer. innovation and you philips so our business can be on at&t's network for $175 a month? yup. all 5 of you for $175. our clients need a lot of attention. there's unlimited talk and text. we're working deals all day. you get 10 gigabytes of data to share. what about expansion potential? add a line, anytime, for $15 a month. low dues, great terms. let's close! new at&t mobile share value plans our best value plans ever for business. >>> breaking news in the search for malaysia flight 370. more news about the actions of the pilots in the moments leading up to that plane vanishing two weeks ago. really we have the first noti

>> inside is a lithium battery. when it gets too hot, it ignites, just like this faa training video demonstrates. in the last two decades or so, the faa reports more than 140 incidents involving batteries in cargo or baggage. in most cases batteries were undeclared. baggage handlers noticed luggage on fire or hot to the touch. on board, even laptops, even flashlights started to smoke. even they they can cause this, they are still allowed in electronics in the passenger cabin. a limited amount of batteries are still allowed to be checked if they are packaged properly. a short circuit can happen by chance. say it comes into contact with keys or coins or jewelry. that can create a pass for the electricity. it creates extreme heat, leading to sparks and fire. lithium battery can burn so hot it can melt a plane. >> you just can't pull off to the side of a road and hot out like you can in a car. >> reporter: in 2006, fire forced a ups plane to make an emergency landing in philadelphia. investigators found electronics cont

so it is a well-known, and well-documented issue with lithium ion batteries. the malaysia ceo in his news conference specifically said that they knew about those batteries. those batteries had been packed in accordance with ako, as the organization, the international aviation organization, according with their regulations and it had been checked and rechecked. there is one small point conveniently overlooked by those that want to put the lithium ion battery argument forward. if they had been an incident, there would have been a warning. if there had been a warning, the pilots might have got a may day out. if there had been a full-scale fire, it would have been reported on the acars system and we might well have known about it. the lithium eye on battery theory is there, it will remain there. >> does it hold a lot of water? >> it should frankly be somewhere on the back burner, because it doesn't hold a lot of water. >> let's get back to the front burner. 15 miles off the coast of australia, one of the things officials are asking for, more my d hydrophones. how

and we got this model from the conversation yesterday as we talked about the lithium batteries in theargo hold, and also helps to power the plane. and so, takes through that and what are the possibilities of that, because they are dealing towards the pilots, but still, we don't know what happened. >> we know it was not a lithium ion battery fire, because it went some 2200 miles. >> yes, agreed. >> and with this information we got today from the prime minister, which is what we talked about yesterday, it certainly looks like this is a deliberate intentional action and a plan from the moment that this plane took off from kuala lumpur, and it was well conceived and executed at the exact moment of the handoff between the malaysian controller and the vietnam controller who to this point in time, i don't know if they have ever reported that they made contact with the airplane, and what did they do? they made a u-turn in the air, and headed back south is west. but to answer your question, the lithium batteries would be in the cargo hold of the airplane, which would be in the area here. >> th

did volatile lithium batteries bring down this plane?irst reported this last week during the search. today we are now hearing officially from the ceo of malaysia airlines confirming that these batteries were in fact in the cargo hold of this plane. the reason this is significant, you ask? if you look back in 2010, a

. >> when it comes out that something like lithium help, do you give that to someone suspected of the disease. is it too early to take steps like that. >> i think it is a little early. i think we need to really value wait these through clinical trials. because kit be dangerous to start a drug like lithium, unless you know it is in fact going to be beneficial. we need to go down the road of a validated trial before we recommend it for treatment. >> what do we know about what it does inside the body that makes it prompt. >> well, lithium has been used for many many years for treating a variety of disorders. mostly in the psychiatry realm. and it is known to have an effect on the tile protein. and, in fact, lithium is active against the hyper worelated stage, which is the abnormal stage, so it has been considered as a treatment for alzheimers as we said, it does work in other things as well. >> i am wondering if alzheimerss taking a special toll, because in a way you are losing the person you knew, the memories, the memories you have together as individuals. jazz someone being treated fo

let me start with the lithium battery story that we've gotten now. the question that pops into my mind is why are we getting this kind of information this long after that plane disappeared? >> there's a consistent pattern with all of this evidence. there's doubts about its quality and it keeps arriving kind of slowly in dribs and drabs and to say lithium batteries is kind of like saying stolen passports. >> right. >> so red flags start to go up. of course, there was a terrible ups cargo plane fire attributed to lithium batteries. but there are very, very strict rules about how they need to be packaged and transported. of course, if there was a fire in the cargo hold, this plane has the latest detection and suppression. the crew would have been making emergency calls. >> right. but this indicates that after a derth of information from the malaysian government for so long, someone looked at the americans and thought, oh, lithium batteries and that takes on a life of its own. >> well, i think that's exactly right. because this investigation has just bee

did volatile lithium batteries bring down this plane? cnn first reported this last week during the search. today we are now hearing officially from the ceo of malaysia airlines confirming that these batteries were in fact in the cargo hold of this plane. the reason this is significant, you ask? if you look back in 2010, a fatal crash was attributed to lithium ion batteries in a u.p.s. cargo plane. we also know lithium battery components sparked a series of fires on board several boeing 787s. even with this knowledge, the airline is playing this news down. >> and the questions swirl around what was in the cargo hold of the plane. we are learning more about the phone call made by the pilot. authorities are looking into reports he made a call from his cell phone eight minutes before this flight took off. investigators are trying to find out who might have been on the other end of the call. let's go to cnn's evan perez in washington. let's hone in on the batteries. what more do we know about that? >> they were looking at the situation from t

of course we know there have been lithium batteries, a u.p.s. plane, 787 dream liners have had double. what do you make of the reports that they had the lithium batteries in that cargo hold? >> well, greta, i agree with you it's interesting he sat on this. earlier in the week he was asked if there was any type of hazardous cargo on board like lithium batteries he said. no now he come back and said they were and packaged with international standards and there weren't that many of them. still more questions now that need to be answered. >> well, you know, the interesting thing about it is if indeed there were a fire on this plane, when the pilot said good night, all right, good night. at about 1:19, the acars had already been shut off, which is peculiar. so it doesn't look like, you know, any sort of an emergency and a fire. plus the fact that if there is a fire on board, i'm assure if you arpaio lot the masks dropped down. one pilot takes control and the other pilot says may day asks for preferential treatment for airport or airspace. doesn't tha

>> the interesting thing about lithium they have the capability of reigniting. so even though that happens, as soon as it restabilizes it could reignite. and there's not a second charge that would go off in there necessarily. there is in some compartments. >> mary, let's say that happened. how would the pilots know? wouldn't somebody on the ground know that this was going terribly wrong? >> well, there is a smoke and fire detection and suppression systems in the cargo holds of these wide-bodied planes. however, we know about this. and what happens and how it reignites and how difficult it is to put out because of the boeing 787 fires in boston and in japan. and the firefighters themselves reported that they kept trying to put it out and it would keep coming back. it was very very stubborn. and so that's why boeing reinvented the box on those planes. remember those planes are being used so they're drawing current, there was grounding issues, et cetera. so boeing redesigned the box. and the box is supposed to contain any kind of a battery fire. so it was very stub

there were these potentially flammable lithium batteries. we don't know how many.ould a fire have started in the cargo hold and then overtaken the cockpit? >> the answer to that is most definitely it could have happened. we're not saying it did in this instance but it could have. it's happened before in other aircraft. value jet one of the most famous ones. that plane from the moment the fire started to when it went down was 3:42. then you have the u.p.s. flight out of dubai in 2010. that was due to the batteries. it was basically fire that just filled the cockpit with smoke, either overcame the pilots or made it impossible to navigate. so it happens definitely. >> what steps would pilots take to try to contain the fire? >> we can just demonstrate for you. if we were flying at altitude the first indication would likely be the alarms that would be going off. the moment that alarm goes off there are a number of things that begin to go into play. the pilot and copilot would immediately go for a checklist and begin to figure out who's going to fly, who's going to navig

>> the interesting thing about lithium they have the capability of reigniting.so even though that happens, as soon as it restabilizes it could reignite. and there's not a second charge that would go off in there necessarily. there is in some compartments. >> mary, let's say that happened. how would the pilots know? wouldn't somebody on the ground know that this was going terribly wrong? >> well, there is a smoke and fire detection and suppression systems in the cargo holds of these wide-bodied planes. however, we know about this. and what happens and how it reignites and how difficult it is to put out because of the boeing 787 fires in boston and in japan. and the firefighters themselves reported that they kept trying to put it out and it would keep coming back. it was very very stubborn. and so that's why boeing reinvented the box on those planes. remember those planes are being used so they're drawing current, there was grounding issues, et cetera. so boeing redesigned the box. and the box is supposed to contain any kind of a battery fire. so it was very stubb

there's two aircraft, two cargo aircraft lost in the last four years with lithium charge jobs with lithium 30 minutes. it's that final. this airplane, supposedly flew on for seven hours. i don't believe it's a lithium battery issue. >> those two things might be difficult to put together. >> indeed. >> let me ask you about another thing coming out this idea being reported that military radar tracked the flight after the turn descended to an altitude of about 12,000 feet before it went off the radar. for the ininitiated that seems pretty low. >> indeed. i mean there are a lot of theories but going to 12,000 feet and we even had reports of as low as 5,000 feet. if it did that, for whatever reason, to be off the coast of western australia it would have had to climb back up to 37,000 feet. >> why is that? >> because at 12,000 feet or 5,000 feet it burns too much fuel. it could never make that distance. so distance has been calculated on a six hour, seven hour flight at a certain altitude, certain range. that's where it ended up off the coast of western awe usa. that's if the dead debris is from

they also have the largest deposits of lithium in the world. so really good play, a good long-term play. some folks though don't like to invest in foreign companies. sometimes there is some issues there. i also like global x lithium, which is an etf holding a lot of securities you just mentioned. so a good etf there. but really when you look at batteries and technology, that's what we want to focus on. who is going to create this next battery. david: right. >> ibm has a wonderful project called, battery 500. a lot of people don't know about it. cheryl: sure. >> but thought is to create -- david: we got your picks. we'll have to move on, thanks, pete. cheryl: guys, thank you very much. >> thanks, guys. cheryl: jeff duncan, pete lang, dan stesich. we'll come back to you before the s&p futures close. gentlemen, thanks very much. dan we'll see you in a second. david: there have been big moves in currency this week. of course those meaning big moves in your portfolio. a lot of stocks take their hits from the way which currencies go. look what happen

lithium batteries. not the first time you have heard this. now it's being confirmed they were in the cargo, a load of them in this plane. also that a phone call was made reportedly by the pilot. in fact, just minutes before the flight took off. a cell phone call. what does that mean, if anything? going to have the answers in just a moment. across america, people like basketball hall of famer dominique wilkins, are taking charge of their type 2 diabetes with non-insulin victoza. for a while, i took a pill to lower my blood sugar, but it didn't get me to my goal. so i asked my doctor about victoza. he said victoza works differently than pills, and comes in a pen. and the needle is thin. victoza is an injectable prescription medicine that may improve blood sugar in adults with type 2 diabetes when used with diet and exercise. it is not recommended as the first medication to treat diabetes and should not be used in people with type 1 diabetes or diabetic ketoacidosis. victoza has not been studied with mealtime insulin. victoza is not insulin. do

they found lithium batteries in the targ cargo survived.n dubai. the boeing 747 was carrying 80 to 90,000 lithium batteries. a chain reaction fire filled the cockpit with smoke. both pilots died. following the ups crash in 2010, the faa wanted to tighten the rules on battery shipments in cargo planes too. even classify them as dangerous goods. industry groups and lobbyists fought back hard. the final compromise approved by congress in 2012 proposed tougher, federal rule on transporting lithium batteries on planes. instead relying on international standards set by the u.n. randi kaye, cnn, new york. >>> we'll be right back. on my journey across america, i've learned that when you ask someone in texas if they want "big" savings on car insurance, it's a bit like asking if they want a big hat... ...'scuse me... ...or a big steak... ...or big hair... i think we have our answer. geico. fifteen minutes could save you fifteen percent or more on car insurance. >>> rough waves, high winds and bad visibility. some of the fierce conditions search teams

there were these potentially flammable lithium batteries.could a fire have started in the cargo hold and then overtaken the cockpit? >> the answer to that is most definitely it could have happened. we're not saying it did in this instance but it could have. it's happened before in other aircraft. value jet one of the most famous ones. that plane from the moment the fire started to when it went down was 3:42. then you have the ubs flight out of dubai in 2010. that was due to the batteries. it was basically fire that just filled the cockpit with smoke, either overcame the pilots or made it impossible to navigate. so inhappt happens definitely. >> what steps would pilots take to try to con taitain the fire? >> if we were flying at altitude the first indication would likely be the alarms that would be going off. the moment that alarm goes off there are a number of things that begin to go into play. the pilot and copilot would measly go for a checklist and begin to figure out who's going to fly, who's going to navigate. you want to get this plane

but you know, 450 pounds of lithium ion batteries?credible load of batteries on a civilian passenger airplane. we wouldn't do that here in the states. but does that mean anything? we don't know yet. >> they told us they were not on there initially and then four days they come on and reverse it. so that raises everybody's spidey sense. >>> and up next, wait until you hear this, a freak out in the democratic party. >>> and judge napolitano on this, the big religious freedom supreme court case what to expect and what is at stake. look at him. [ sniffles ] i better take something. [ male announcer ] dayquil cold and flu doesn't treat all that. it doesn't? [ male anner ] alka-seltzer plus fights your worst cold symptoms plus has a fast-acting antihistamine. oh, what a relief it is! plus has a fast-acting antihistamine. play in it. work in it. go wild in it. do everything but wrinkle in it. the perfect fitting no-iron effortless shirt in 4 styles and 31 colors and prints. visit the shirt boutique, only at chico's and chicos.com. always one

you can ask my ups brothers and sisters, what a lithium battery can do to a plane.e very flammable, very noxious, if something like that erupted within the cargo hold, could have been a catastrophic situation that happened quickly. >> that was one of the newest and last 7777s built. it happened on september 3rd, 2010, they're flying along and there's smoke in the cabin, they think it was lithium batteries that suddenly erupted, exploded and caused all this fire in the cargo hold? that was a cargo 747, a frighter? >> yes, it was a cargo 747, they were operating out of dubai that day. now, those lithium batteries have been proven to be unstable and highly flammable and highly noxious. so if a situation occurred then, that a flame, a hole full of fire came into the avionics compartment, it could possibly explain then the time line of the transponder shutting off, the acars shutting off, the pilots turning back. we're taught from day one, ave yat, navigate and then communicate. i know a lot of people are questioning, why didn't they get a mayday distress signal out in t

if so, the fire theory may not be farfetched. >> reporter: lithium ion batteries are very volatile. >> reporter: he says if the pilot calls for help on the radio, it is likely it never went it. >> it is very sporadic. they may have called on hf and nobody heard them. >> reporter: malaysian police are looking into the possibilities of terrorism, hi jacking or mental health issues of those on board. >> because we have no solid evidence, we can't discount anything. >> reporter: search crews from 26 countries are now looking for the jet liner. one u.s. naval commander said trying to find the plane is like trying to find a few people somewhere between california and new york. in orange county, stacy butler, kpix5. >> tonight, the search area has grown to roughly the size of australia. >>> right now, ukrainian troops are fearing for war with russia. they fear crimea is just the beginning. they know they would be significantly outgunned in the battle. it rekindles memories of the cold war. despite warnings and threats from the west, vladimir putin annexed crimea anyway. >>> today, president

um, you know, with lithium. i take 1,2oo milligrams a day. the likelihood of recurrence with just average treatment-- that includes people who don't take their medicine-- the 5-year risk of recurrence is close to 8o%. for those who take their medication as prescribed, only 2o% to 3o% will have a recurrence over a two-year period. even with medication, psychotherapy may be an important part of their overall treatment. dr. knafo relates the history of lester, a bipolar patient. he had a long history of depression. he'd had several manic episodes for which he'd been hospitalized. so here he was hospitalized this time. he was about the age that his father was when the father had committed suicide. in the hospital, lester was treated anparticiped in psychodicsychotherate with dr. k.work had tbe in terms of separati lester's identy from that of his father's and in allowing him to mourn his father's death. in his family, emotions weren't tolerated. he was never allowed to grieve his fath's death. evenmoved out of the hospital and back into society.

. >> there was a ups 747 freighter crash a few years ago that was carrying lithium ion batteries. and they crashed in dubai. that was very, very much in my mind, every time i saw this, and again, i had heard some news that this aircraft may have been carrying a shipment of lithium ion batteries in the cargo compartment. >> ross, thank you very much. we have a number of new bits of information coming in regarding the spotting of what appears to australian authorities to be a debris field, some 1,500 miles to the south and west of perth, australia, off the western coast of australia. is it -- do they believe it's possible this is wreckage of this jet? they do. they have satellite images. but they now have one ship on scene -- one aircraft on scene. three more aircraft on the way. a ship on the way as well. they're hoping to begin a search.catherine herridge is in washington and do we have her on the line with us now? instead i want to go to david piper. remember, that it was the thai radar systems that were able to spot a change in direction for this jet. and now our david piper is

because on that point they said they were carrying lithium batteries which happens all the time but they have to be packaged just right and there was an accident that killed two crew members when lithium batteries got -- >> i mean the passenger manifest. >> passenger manifest, you've got to go back and look at all those things again because as we fail to bring something really hard forward you've now got to go back and revisit things that were dismissed earlier. they said they looked at those people that got on with false passports and they cleared them more or less. chinese said they cleared their people that were on the plane. still, since we come up with no answers now you've got to go back and revisit all those things because you might find something. you have to grasp at something because we have precious little here. >> it's great having you experts on. robert hager and captain john cox. we're dam close back to square one anyway. coming up, anguish and incompetence with the search for flight 370 heading into the third week now. who's looking out for those families and who's holding

and lithium ion batteries have caused fire in cargo holds before.of them brought down a 747 over the united arab emirates three years ago. >> that's very true and the lithium ion battery issue has been a big one for me. i know we've been trying to find out precisely what the quantity of the batteries were or was that was on the airplane and so far we haven't come up with any facts. but i certainly wouldn't rule that out. jon: they also say in that part of the world, it's not unusual to have mislabelled cargo or cargo that is, in essence, being smuggled so there could have been items on board that cargo manifest that maybe the airline didn't even know about. that's always possible. we knew about security breaches in malaysia within a day of this airplane disappearing with those two fellows getting on the airplane with stolen passports. so again, we know also about the fact that the first officer was known to let people into the cockpit while the airplane is in flight. all of these things alone are just not good signs. they may not be related to this

if they had lithium-ion batteries in the airplane.t may be an amazing discovery what may have happened to the airplane. >> all right. captain, thank you very much. and that is it for us tonight. be sure to tune in tomorrow night for a special live edition. we'll continue our investigation in to the d >>> tonight on "red eye." >> coming up on "red eye" hot models. should we stop taking their picture and start asking questions? why the mainstream media is so afraid to learn what they really are. and what do they think of his latest book title compared to the last one? >> i like it is edge yes, sir. >> and how does he predict the book will end? >> it is a nailbiter. >> and finally, jelly beans. delicious candy or world's deadliest choking hazard. none of these stories 0* "red eye." >> now let's welcome our guests. don't go changing to try and please her. you have let her down before. due to her impossibly high

if they had lithium-ion batteries in the airplane.n amazing discovery what may have happened to the airplane. >> all right. captain, thank you very much. and that is it for us tonight. be sure to tune in tomorrow night for a special live edition. we'll continue our investigation in to the d >>> hello. it is sunday, the 16th of march, 2014. i'm anna kooiman. with malaysian flight 370 hijacked by its own pilots, new details this morning as investigators try to learn more about extremist past. this as they look into the search for the missing plane. the breaking details straight ahead. >>> and russian paratroopers flood the ukrainian border and more than 20,000 occupants flood crimea as the country hangs in the balance. will they choose to be ruled by due

if they had lithium-ion batteries in the airplane.ery what may have happened to the airplane. >> all right. captain, thank you very much. and that is it for us tonight. be sure to tune in tomorrow night for a special live edition. we'll continue our investigation in to the disappearance of malaysia flight 370. >>> tonight "on red eye." >> coming up. should we stop taking their picture and start asking questions? why the media is terrified to learn how smart they really are. >>> plus, what does alec baldwin think of the new book title compared to the last one? >> i like it is edgier. how does he predict the book will end? >> another nail biter. >>> finally, jelly beans. delicious candy or world's deadlyist choking hazard. the stories tonight. >>> and now let's welcome our guests. don't go changing to try to please her. you have certainly let her down before.

the problem with the lithium batteries is they can short circuit.e loose batteries in a passenger's checked bag and maybe they put keys or coins or jewelry, that can create a circuit and a path for the electricity. it create this is extreme heat that leads to sparks and fire and gets so hot that one pilot said it can melt the plane's fuselage. lithium batteries are still allowed. i guess they figured they can put it out quickly. the faa did ban loose batteries in checked bags. they don't come into contact with the things that create that short circuit. they can be checked if they are packaged properly. they can tape on the contact points to project them and avoid disasters. >> thank you so much. thank you. as in three weeks to be precise, very few answers throughout the investigation. some family members have remained in a hotel waiting if are any word of loved ones. one expert said it only adds more pain. we will take a closer look at the trauma of simply waiting. at&t's network... including unlimited talk unlimited text ...and 10 gigs of data to s

if the lithium batteries started on fire. talked about and mary has brought this up before it has the capability of putting out those fires that are going on. but there's another hazard that comes in with that. if you put out the fire, the lithium batteries are going to continue to produce the gasses. it's not the fire that produces the gasses it's the heat. if the halon extinguishes the fire but hydrochloric acid and the sulphuric acid in vapor form still continue to exude. if those batteries were stored in the front i'd be looking for evidence of that. those two gasses together could be deadly. >> in supplement to what david is saying, if it got into the e and e compartment, lower compartment that has all the avionics and so forth, that doesn't have halon to it. it has a system that automatically -- if it senses smoke it will reverse the air flow. now if the pilots put on their oxygen mask, the problem is if they don't recognize they have a toxic situation they might not go and select the emergency button which puts oxygen

it doesn't sound like the lithium concern me. there has been problems with those, no doubt. it doesn't sound like it was a tremendous, you know, large amount of lithium batteries on it. and they did have approved containers from what i have heard. of the faa is content with that or has been in the past. that's something i would like to hear more about, if someone investigates it i would like it hear their spin on it. >> we are certainly hoping that we're able to find the debris and get more information. gentlemen, thank you. >> thank you, greta. and straight ahead. president bill clinton disagreeing with president obama and senator tim scott agrees with one of those two presidents. which one and what's the fuss about? senator tim scott goes "on the record" next. plus, i will go off o00 record. and we're also following breaking news. more than 100 people missing. and new reports that the death toll is rising. that's after a deadly mudslide that just tore through washington state. we have a live report coming up. >>> republicans are blasting obama administration's decision to

. >> there was a u.p.s. 747 freighter crash a few years ago that was carrying lithium ion batteries and dubai. this was very, veryç much in my mind every time i saw this. again, i had heard some news that this aircraft may have been carrying shipments of lithium ion batteries in the cargo department. >> aircraft? this is a navy p-8 poisedon designed to hunt submarines. today it will be looking for debris. >> we want now to go to john lusage, a licensed commercial pilot, a former new jersey state criminal investigator. he joins us now. we spoke with you earlier. we've had a news conference not a lot of new information there, just emphasizing that they are now focusing on this southern corridor off the coast of australia. do you have any new thoughts on this debris and whether or not you believe it is from the missing plane? >> if we go to malaysian time line where at 1:07 they deviate from their course and take a westerly course, we are 12 minutes into that, we have the pilots saying good night. if they had a problem that causes them to divert instead of saying good night, would the pil

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there was an ups 747 freighter crash a few years ago that was carrying lithium ion batteries and they crashed in dubai. that was very much in my mind every time i saw this. and, again, i heard some news that this aircraft may have been carrying a shipment of lithium ion batteries in the cargo department. >> so many theories now. we're going to talk to mike boyd now. i understand that you think that this debris is debris that we've already looked at, that investigators have already seen and it's just moved, is that correct? >> caller: the satellite picture was hours or days ago and things are going to be moving. they may not be able to find it again. as we just heard, there's a lot of junk floating in the ocean. it could have been that. it could have been any number of things. i think we're excited that we found it, but i'm not sure, that this is not going to die down. it's going to difficult to find those pieces again. >> the last known correspondence we had from this plane was around 1:19. it was as it moved toward vietnamese airspace. explain to us looking at these satellite images,

cargo hold at the time and these batteries behave in a very strange way in the case of a boeing 787 lithiumatteries, boeing was very insistent on saying that they were not technically fires. they were not technically combustion. of the options possible here, which could have disabled the plane or at least disabled the pilots and knocked out the passengers, this is a serious one. i would urge us to not look at just the top half of the plane but the bottom half of the plane, the belly, the architecture of the belly, the cargo hold which is next to the forward cargo hold. the architecture in there, what the wiring was. because we have to explain one thing. if this plane, as it now seems, got all the way down into the south pacific, by some means or other, by human hand or flying itself, we have to understand how that was possible after whatever was the emergency. did it compromise the plane in some way? the aircraft was probably compromised in some way and yet it wasn't made impossible for it to continue and it's pinning down that point that we need to do. >> let me ask mark weiss who is a 777

they say there were batteries on board, lithium batteries.they can be unstable. they can not explode but they can ignite if improperly stored. they say everything was done by the book. how significant a factor of reporting is this? >> you know, i don't think it's that significant because every accident we've had in history related to cargo creates a massive structural failure as well that's accompanied it. if you look at the value jet accident, for example, the oxygen generators that were stored in that caused enough of a fire. if you have a fire or some kind of event in the cargo that's enough to take out the electrical system and sequentially like it did, because if it would have happened it would have been a catastrophic failure to the level of which we would have seen different information about that aircraft. we would have known exactly when it went down and we wouldn't have had the subsequent pings we had hours later. >> david funk, do you echo that same rationale? >> yes. absolutely. if they had a cargo fire, the airplane would have be

>> what about the lithium batteries?out the cargo hold occurred that created some kind of rapid problem? it might have been something smoldering they weren't aware of. there is any number of scenarios that could occur. i just don't think you can rule it out. john nance you have flown these planes. can you say it is impossible for this to happen? you can say that? >> i think only a field would say it is impossible. we say the probability versus possibility. if there is a possibility there it is a very low level of probability. let me tell you the reason why. even if you discount the course changes, proximity to get ahold of air traffic control and training to immediately control and even if you discount all of that, in order to turn off that satellite functiont that we didn't know was on there, whoever did this didn't know was on, you have to go into the forward panel and go through page after page after page and get down and make changes in there. that is not the sort of thing that will happen selectively with a fire or