littlehead-- - littleton. littleton. i have only four employees and i need them all. besides, these people are more than just employees. i feel like they are my children. well, then you better make up your mind, mr. brashov. you're either running a business or you're raising a family if you know what i mean. - how'd things go at the bank, mr. brashov ? - oh, not too badly. are you sure ? well... to tell you the truth, i don't think i impressed them very much. did you do what i told you ? i did exactly what you told me. and then he told me i'm spending too much. we have to make more money or he won't okay the loan. if we make more money, why do i need the loan ? so, we won't be able to get a new stove ? not if mr. littleton has anything to say about it. i didn't realize things were so bad. we have debits all over the place. if i could find that part that i need, then maybe we wouldn't have to get a new stove. it's even more serious than that. the bank says we have to make more profit or else. - how do you do that ? - simple. more customers, more business, more profit.

littleton tries to knock the gun out of the man's hand with the only weapon she has. her purse. she fails and is left at the gunman's mercy. but he lets her go. >> this man had some scruples, and so he spared me and said, you stupid -- and called me a name, which probably at that point i deserved at least the stupid part. >> with littleton out of the way, the gunman now confronts the remaining board members. >> i'm going to die today. >> can we talk for a minute? just -- >> i've already been to prison. >> the gunman, 56-year-old clay duke, had served four years for threatening his ex-wife with two guns. the issue now, his current wife who taught at a local elementary school was not offered a full-time position. >> you see -- >> please explain to us, sir. please explain to us. >> i'm not sure where she worked. >> we have no idea what he was talking about. i didn't know if his wife was a teacher, bus driver or worked in the cafeteria. >> board member jerry register apeels to the gunman's sympathy. >> i have a great wife. i've been married to her 40 years. i've got two great boys.

and i never said that kenny littleton did this murder. and i wouldn't do that because i wouldn't convict somebody before they went on trial like you do, jeffrey. what i said is -- [ overlapping speakers ] >> what i said there was stronger evidence against many other people than michael skakel, and what his attorney failed to do, which any attorney their first year criminal attorney would do studying criminal law us you bring in that evidence because that goes to reasonable doubt. if you can point to somebody else and say, this person is more likely to have committed this crime than the person who's on trial, why, that is the basis for reasonable doubt. and that's what the judge was saying. >> now he's got a point. >> the judge was not saying that tommy skakel was guilty and you should apologize for that. tommy skakel for besmirching his name the same way you did for a whole year on cnn against my cousin michael skakel who is innocent of this crime and who was as i said was 11 miles away with five eyewitnesses that mickey sherman failed to

and i never said that kenny littleton did this murder. and i wouldn't do that because i wouldn't convict somebody before they went on trial like you do, jeffrey. what i said is -- [ overlapping speakers ] >> what i said there was stronger evidence against many other people than michael skakel, and what his attorney failed to do, which any attorney their first year criminal attorney would do studying criminal law us you bring in that evidence because that goes to reasonable doubt. if you can point to somebody else and say, this person is more likely to have committed this crime than the person who's on trial, why, that is the basis for reasonable doubt. and that's what the judge was saying. >> now he's got a point. >> the judge was not saying that tommy skakel was guilty and you should apologize for that. tommy skakel for besmirching his name the same way you did for a whole year on cnn against my cousin michael skakel who is innocent of this crime and who was as i said was 11 miles away with five eyewitnesses that mickey sherman failed to

littleton's lawyer has told reporters he is innocent. robert f.cousin. >> michael was 11 miles away with five eyewitnesses at the time that the murder was committed. he has an air tight alibi. >> reporter: with his conviction set aside, michael skakel now has a second chance to prove it. randy kaye, cnn, new york. >> let's bring in our legal guys, avery freedman, professor from cleveland, and richard herman, new york criminal defense attorney, joining us from las vegas. good to see you as well. >> hi, fred. >> gentlemen, this is really a fascinating case, is it not? richard, you mention that you are good friends with mickey sherman, the lawyer that represented michael skakel in the trial in 2002, and while you hear the judge say it was an ineffective representation, that mickey sherman is guilty of here, and that's why they believe michael skakel deserves a new trial, you say actually the problem is ineffective judging. so richard, explain more. >> well, a couple things, fred. first of all, whether he can get out on bail pending new trial, that's

don henley, littleton, colorado, i resent your comment on the show that all the people in colorado areng high. might want to relax a little, don, comedy show. tom in maine, i watched the stewart show and really admired your appearance on his show. the world would benefit with more reason on the show. that is for sure, we need more reason on "the stewart show." you may remember back in 2010 whoppi goldberg and joy behay stormed off after i said that muslims killed. i kept the door open on "the view" because i felt i had my say and got my point across, and today, the tone on the show was much different, as the ladies read "killing jesus" and they apparently liked it? >> in writing this book, do you believe in the miracles -- >> i'm a roman catholic, and i say up front i believe it. but as a historian, i can't prove it. >> why did you call him christ -- >> because he denotes messiah. >> you said you got the inspiration in the middle of the night -- >> that is my belief system, come on, you have got to know what i said. i have been all over the place. >> i'm sorry, i don't read every singl

the phone lines -- we will go to our independence line first, we hear from littleton, colorado. the morning from tony. -- good morning to tony. caller: it looks so much different to me this time around. the economy is so much worse and people are in so much worse shape than they were 17 years ago. i think that has been lost on our current congress. back then we came out of it stronger. i think we are coming out of it weaker. are we possibly moving to -- even a breakdown of our democracy -- and i don't mean to sound hyperbolic but people are really angry. both parties. is it different and are we in a more dangerous place than we were before you go -- before? guest: that is a very insightful question. we have come to behave, as voters, that this is a polymer tree system. very few democrats in republican districts and very few republicans in democratic districts. 94% of republicans are in districts that romney carried. you find very few outlier member districts where someone is in a district they should not be. that was not true 18 years ago. and there will -- there was a lot of ti

the phone lines -- we will go to our independence line first, we hear from littleton, colorado. the morning from tony. -- good morning to tony. caller: it looks so much different to me this time around. the economy is so much worse and people are in so much worse shape than they were 17 years ago. i think that has been lost on our current congress. back then we came out of it stronger. i think we are coming out of it weaker. are we possibly moving to -- even a breakdown of our democracy -- and i don't mean to sound hyperbolic but people are really angry. both parties. is it different and are we in a more dangerous place than we were before you go -- before? guest: that is a very insightful question. we have come to behave, as voters, that this is a polymer tree system. very few democrats in republican districts and very few republicans in democratic istricts.and you and you and in his you as you as you are useless to you and your is you is ai know third source is do you 94% of republicans are inand in nicor -- very few democrats in republican districts and very few republicans i

let's hear from littleton, colorado, good morning to tony. >> good morning, thanks for taking my call. i'm glad we have people on who have been through the last shutdown. it looks so much different to me this time around. because, one, the economy is so much worse and people are in so much worse shape than they were 17 years ago. i think that has been lost on our current congress. back then when we came out of it, we came out of it stronger. i think we're coming out of it weaker. i'm wondering, are we possibly moving to even a breakdown of the democracy. i don't mean to sound hyperbolic, but it's coming to an end, but people are really angry that i hear calling in. both parties. >> yeah, and maybe you can comment on that. is it different? are we in a more dangerous place than we were before? >> tony, a very insightful question. let me give you my analysis. we have come to behave as voters like this is a parliamentary system. what you find today is very few democrats in republican districts and republicans in democratic districts. 90% of the caucus is rin districts that obama carried.

. >> and kenny littleton was the -- >> the tutor. >> -- tutor and again i say in that article, and ice against him was stronger than the evidence against michael, but after the article, chris, after the article -- after "the atlantic" published that article i got contacted by a cbs news producer who had gone to school, the same private school in greenwich as michael skakel and he had not been a friend of michael's. he said to me, "you have to talk to tony bryant," who is a florida businessman, and he said, "and tony bryant was an african-american who had gone to the same school at the same time." in fact, he had been the first african-american to integrate that particular school in greenwi greenwich. we lived with a teacher because he was from new york city, and he had not liked the situation. he had moved back to new york city and gone to public school, and when he went to public school he had gotten involved with a couple of kids who were gangster types and their names were adolph and burr and he brought them to greenwich on numerous occasions to see his old friends in greenwich an

client's freedom, his new lawyer presented the composite sketch along with a picture of kenneth littletona tutor at the home. he had also been questioned at the time of the murder. his lawyer told reporters he's innocent. robert f. kennedy jr. is his cousin. >> michael was 11 miles away with five eyewitnesss at the time that the murder was committed. he has an airtight alibi. >> with his conviction set aside, michael now has a second chance to prove it. randi kaye, cnn, new york. >> and here's more with robert f. kennedy jr. about why the case needs to get a second look in his view. >> the family members who were contacted were never prepped for their testimony. so they were never given the statements that they had made at that time about where they were that night and what they were doing that night. so for 27 years, they hadn't thought about this. and it's not like they were thinking the whole time, oh, well, michael is a suspect what really happened because michael skakel had never been a suspect in this case. what they'd been doing that night. they had been far away from where the mur

the phone lines -- we will go to our independence line first, we hear from littleton, colorado.he morning from tony. -- good morning to tony. it looks so much different to me this time around. the economy is so much worse and people are in so much worse shape than they were 17 years ago. i think that has been lost on our current congress. back then we came out of it stronger. i think we are coming out of it weaker. -- we possibly moving to even a breakdown of our democracy -- and i don't mean to sound hyperbolic but people are really angry. both parties. is it different and are we in a more dangerous place than we were before you go -- before? is a very insightful question. we have come to behave, as voters, that this is a polymer tree system. democrats in republican districts and very few republicans in democratic districts. 94% of republicans are in districts that romney carried. you find very few outlier member districts where someone is in a district they should not be. that was not true 18 years ago. and there will -- there was a lot of ticket splitting. there is less today

here is ernest and littleton colorado. caller: good evening. i am an other. i am anrican saracen -- american citizen. i voted for ron paul. >> have you heard anything from ron paul about this current situation? i have been reading up on his website. good oldn on these boys, we have had this situation for 30 years. he keeps getting worse and worse. they keep raising the debt limit. then they pat themselves on the back. our side one, their side one. a get sickening listening to these guys. host: you heard some of that with the passage of the bills? year after year. it is the same old stock. the good old boys. you need to go to a one-party system for the united states of america, and work for them instead of these parties. host: let's move on to our republican line. --ler: host: ok elayne in north carolina. go ahead. caller: this is elayne. not approve of obama care. i have never voted. not until the election. i voted for a republican because i felt like the democrats wouldn't run the government like they should. care is so good, why don't obama have that same p

we saw the same thing in littleton. we saw the same thing in newtown. we see it every time where these teachers, they anyhow who the shooter is and take bullets to save kids' lives. i think it's time for us to look at the reality that these gun-free zone s its oronly as good as the paper it's on. >> our nation is so split on this, but i hear both of your sides and it's saddening to have to report on these. two in two days this week. l.z. and ben, thank you both very much. >>> coming up next hour, do not miss this conversation. this woman, a teacher who actually confronted a student holding a loaded gun. that's at the top of next hour. do not miss her compelling story. >>> coming up, the white house fires a national security staffer for insulting tweets about president obama's advisers. how the heck did he get away with that for two years? that's what i want to know. >> plus, a family grieving at their own father's funeral opens the casket to find the body isn't dad. more on that case. >>> and this incredible story behind the most inspiring moment of the

. >> the tutor, ken littleton. a questionable decision.cused on so much in this opinion is that he should have put more of the blame on thomas skakel, michael's brother. that's a strategic choice. that's not usually a basis for a new trial. will it stand? probably it will stand. i think michael skakel will get out on bail shortly. and you know, i just don't see how you can retry this case at this point. 1975. it is simply too long ago to bring witnesses back and ask them what they remember. >> why isn't that in favor of the appellate court in connecticut saying no, you don't get another trial. retrying it is a huge prejudice, we're not going to allow it. >> it is possible that the connecticut supreme court will reinstate the conviction but this is a very detailed decision. i have to say, the judge obviously put a tremendous amount of energy into it. under the subtext of this opinion is not about infectiveness of counsel. he thinks that michael skakel is innocent. if the judges up the chain believe that, i think it will stand. >> vito coluc