well, my guest today is china's ambassador in london, liu xiaoming.a the villain or the hero of this pandemic? ambassador liu xiaoming, welcome to hardtalk. thank you. thank you to be with you again. we are delighted to have you on our programme at this difficult time. let me start, actually, with a very simple, direct question — do you accept that covid—19 has its origins in china? it was first discovered in wuhan, but i can't say it originated from wuhan. you know, according to many information, many reports, including bbc, it can be everywhere and anywhere. you know, it can be in aircraft carriers. it can be found even in the submarine and it can be found in some countries, which have very little connection with china. and also, it can be found in the group of people who have never been to china. so i couldn't say — we cannot say it's originated from china... ambassador, let me stop you there, because i'm a little confused by that answer. i mean, clearly, it is a new virus. it originated somewhere, it crossed, it seems, according to all of the immu