joining me is liz alley, director, brewin dolphin lovely to have you on the programme. why are we talking about this? it's 25 years old, we had it for a quarter of a century. i remember when it first started. i remember it well. iwas ten yea rs started. i remember it well. iwas ten years old at the time. started. i remember it well. iwas ten years old at the timelj started. i remember it well. iwas ten years old at the time. i wasn't born, actually skim eschenbach camelot, those who run the national lottery say they've raised £40 billion for good causes but there's been so many stories since the beginning of the rise and fall of those jackpot winners. there has, absolutely. numerous stories. people who win the jackpot and go bankrupt within five years. people that get depressed, really fall over having all of that money, they don't know what to do with it, they leave a jobs etc, lots and lots of stories but also on the other side, there are huge numbers of stories of people that have won the jackpot and have gone on to set up charitable foundations and a number of lotte