that is liz cheney's issue with this.s like this deal that has been hammered out does not address enough al qaeda. your reaction? >> liz cheney is an incredibly insightful wise member of congress and her concerns are what has plagued the united states. it has been vexing for security officials as they try to figure out how do we wind down this war and do it in a way that prioritizes the security of the american people? one thing that has brought greater confidence to me and probably to the congresswoman as she hears different officials testify, we have lots of troops in the centcom theater around the area. so if, this will be conditions based, if we do see an increase in violence against the united states and our allies, that is how narrow our focus is, the rest, we're not going to draw down past 8600. and we've got increased forces in the region to provide support. they're going to make sure that the american people are protected but we get to the point we have to wind down this war that has gone down so long. liz: rebec

>> reporter: yeah, it is not just liz cheney. it is lindsey graham, joni ernst, deb fischer, all of the lawmakers urging the president listen to the medical experts when making these decisions. follow the cdc guidelines. things of that nature. instead of focusing on the advice of his economic advisers which he's doing so for. and we should note when i asked him yesterday are you going to follow the advice that the health experts give you next week when you make a decision about easing the guidelines he will listen to them and other people too, jake. >> kaitlan collins at the white house. thank you so much. >>> joining now from his new home studio in wilmington, delaware, the current democratic front-runner for the presidential nomination joe biden. thank you for joining us. we appreciate it. >> thank you, jake. >> the president today said he would like to reopen the country by easter. what is your response? >> he should stop talking and start listening to the medical experts. you talk about having an economic crisis, you want an

yeah, i think that's -- liz cheney seems to get and it there are other republicans who get it. of course, everyone wants to get the economy working again. easter would be a great time to do it. but as austan said, you can donate that without mass testing across the nation to have any idea how bad this virus crisis is and who the sick people are. and we're not going to have that in two and a half week. i have not read anybody who's said that. so the economic damage in the piece i wrote suggesting that we could be facing depression takes into account the idea in part that we rush back to work too soon, that a lot of people get sick, that the hospital system gets overwhelmed, and we have to shut down again. the way to avoid that is doing what congress is doing right now, which is pass a giant stimulus package, get money into people's hands, keep small businesses open, make sure there is an economy to come back to. it won't be the same as we had, but at least a decent one to come back to, when we have effectively contained the virus. that's the only way to do it. >> then, brendan,

when you see liz cheney and tom bossert take to the public air waves, it's clear they don't have a backhannel to the president anymore. >> well, the president's phone is lit up for several days now according to our reporting, hearing from business leaders, from some of his allies and friends. ro remember, he is hearing from executives of hospitality encouraging him to do whatever it takes to get the economy turned back on that so many lives will be destroyed if people stay home and unemployment goes up and feeling concern of political fortunes. he knows that the economy is his key to re-election. the election's coming up in november. he wants to try to do what he can to stave off complete calamity on the economy and there's tension emerging inside that task force, inside the white house, right now between the scientist dr. fauci, dr. birx who are recommending that's not wise and scientific consensus is that we need more time of social distancing, stricter measures and continue for sometime not only to mitigate the current crisis but prevent additional outbreak or recurrence. >> phil ruc

on the flip side i am sure you see liz cheney, a top republican in the house has tweeted effectively that's not a good idea. where do you stand and more importantly what's your message to the president about the time frame here and what should we fear, economy or healthcare? >> it does not have to be a contradiction there. our economy will thrive when our people are well and able to go back to work in groups and collaborate on the enthusiasm skills they have and our children can go back to school. essential to all of that is stopping the spread of the coronavirus. it is central to that. so i don't have time to follow people's tweets or twitters or whatever. >> the president of the united states -- >> i don't care. >> what is your opinion on that? >> my opinion is that it is not scientific based. he's monitoring it as everyday. any time commenting on the president i would rather spend our time focusing on the fact that any president or anybody with responsibility should be scientifically incline, evidence, data, what's going to make the difference. the cure is the biggest medicine of

liz cheney the congresswoman from oklahoma said that there will be no normally functioning economy if our hospitals are overwhelmed and thousands of americans of all ages including our doctors and nurses lay dying because we have failed to do it's necessary to stop the vir virus. so a lot of input coming into the president and he will have to make the decision to he is the decision-maker in chief. >> right, but the governors do have a say and they are in constant dialogue as you heard the vice president saying his meetings with the coronavirus task force and fema, i thought it was interesting just noting the politics of things, the president has talked about governor andrew cuomo and governor gavin newsom of california and new york obviously but has said something is pointed about ventilators in the federal government and the president took that moment to point back and say the governor could've ordered ventilators. one of the things was that the testing, dr. birx saying that we have tested as a country in eight days more than south korea tested in eight weeks. and that just gives you

we have seen it in a different way for liz cheney. there is no normal functional economy returning to if overwhelming the hospitals and thousands are dying. we know the president pays attention to andrew cuomo. let's see what his tone is today in response to that pressure. >> kristin holmes, one of the pressures for cuomo, tell them to produce masks and ventilators. head sate it was in explicable to me. the fema director were going to do that but there were push back from the house. this is days and days of contradictions and mixed signals about whether the president is going to invoke the authorities but he has not used it yet. where are we at this moment? >> president trump tweeting this morning that he has not had to use the defense act because everyone is volunteering. he said he was going to use it and they're going to take over this part of the allocation part. i kind of want to break down what that means. well, according to the white house and defense production act, there are several parts of it. president trump himself is onl

. >> republican congresswoman liz cheney of wyoming posted this, quote, there will be no normally functioning economy if our hospitals are overwhelmed and thousands of americans of all ages, including our doctors and nurses, lay dying because we have failed to do what's necessary to stop the virus. this morning, trump's former homeland security adviser was asked about easing restrictions. >> president trump is saying he wants to reopen the country. but he's talking about weeks, not months. so everyone is wondering how -- is that realistic? >> yeah, michael. so i think everybody shares his frustration and his hope. but what he needs to do is avoid second waves and reinfections. you know, at this stage we've paid a very heavy cost in our economy and in our lives. to lose the benefit of it at this point by not sticking to our guns would be a really devastating decision. >> and late this afternoon, after this easter story became a thing, trump added this caveat during his briefing. >> we'll also be looking again at very large portions of our country, and i will be guided very much by dr. fauci an

i do think the president was pushed back by the pushback he got from people like andrew cuomo, liz cheney, who said there's no normally functioning economy to restart. if you have thousands of people dying in hospitals. i think he heard that, and i think we saw that reflected in his demeanor and his remarks last night. >> right. so dana bash, in the midst of this, you have -- i keep reminding people, a $2 trillion relief package. that's 2,000 billion dollars. the having figures here are of charts. the essential battle had really been where does the bulk of the money going? to corporations of individuals. a bit of a split here, but a lot of money going to individuals here. i have to imagine that's something of a victory for democrats? >> yes. i mean, that was definitely the sort of some of the broad battle lines, if you will, but it was even more specific, democrats, for example, wanted to make sure that the bulk of the money that now is likely to go to corporations, whether big corporations or small businesses, are done with protections for workers. and there are a lot of, you know, detai

you saw some like liz cheney in the house of representatives and a few other republicans sound alarms. you saw john bolton who most -- probably the most aggressive. but he has nothing to lose. you know, trump got rid of him and he's got a book coming out. he said it was an obama-like deal. for the most part, even ultra hawks like lindsey graham who would have been beating the hell out of obama if he did this deal, they've been pretty quiet and well behaved. >> do you think there's a long leash on this? you do hear from some who have expressed concern. i wonder if the slightest thing turns south on this that the volume will increase. zbl >> you are seeing -- look. to mike pompeo's credit he has been cautious in describing this deal. there's a lot of conditionality in it. if the taliban don't meet certain conditions. i think certainly the question i'm hearing when i talk to administration officials is is doubt over donald trump who of course pompeo reports to will be willing to re-engage in afghanistan if the taliban don't agree to these commitments. because trump just wants to get out.

lawmakers warned against moving too fast to get the economy going again while the congresswoman liz cheney tweeting quote there will be no normally function economy. >>and for hospitals are overwhelmed and thousands of americans of all ages, including our doctors and nurses, lay dying because we have failed to do what's necessary to stop the virus. >>he should stop talking and start to listen to the medical experts who democratic presidential front runner joe biden ripping the president. >>we all want economy opens rapidly as possible the way to do that is let's take care of the medical side of this immediately immediately is on the mind of new york governor andrew cuomo who says the amount of called the 19 cases in his state is doubling about every 3 days and more ventilators are needed we need at a minimum. >>an additional 30,000 ventilators you cannot buy them you cannot find that the president says he is not yet in forcing the defense production act which he invoked last week darryl forges kron 4 news. >>an update from senator amy klobuchar are on her husband's condition, she says he i

. >> wyoming congresswoman liz cheney's reservations on the peace deal reflects a rare but sizable interpartyerica's longest war. in fact, just last week, cheney and for the 20 house republicans colleagues sent a letter to the secretaries of state and defense seeking specific assurances as part of any agreement with the taliban. and in fact, i should point this out, as well, shannon. secretary of state mike pompeo has repeatedly said there are no side deals with the taliban inside the u.s. taliban agreement, which we talked about happened on saturday. a deal which at least right now is hanging on by a thread. >> shannon: kevin corke, thank you very much. let's bring in former deputy assistant attorney general john yoo to talk about this. john, good to have you back. welcome. >> hi, shannon. >> shannon: i want to read something from's late. the taliban launches thousands onumbing thousands of attack. that's not a good start to a new arrangement that would see u.s. troops leave the country over the next few months provided the taliban lives up to prescribed guarantees. i don't know how this is

. >> reporter: republican congressman liz cheney tweeted, there will be no normally functioning economy if our hospitals are overwhelmed and thousands of americans of all ages including our doctors and nurses lay dying because we have failed to do what's necessary to stop the virus. but some in the gop like texas lieutenant governor dan patrick said some seniors may be willing to die to save the economy. >> no one reached out to me and said, as a senior citizen, are you willing to take a chance on your survival in exchange for keeping the america that all america loves for your children and grandchildren. and if that's the exchange, i'm all in. >> reporter: the president also weighed in on the battle over the stimulus deal on capitol hill, revealing he turned down an agreement overnight. >> i canceled the deal last night, i said i'm not going to sign that deal because nancy pelosi came in and put a lot of things into the deal that had nothing to do with workers. >> reporter: new york governor cuomo blasted the administration for failing to ship enough ventilators. >> fema said, we're se

was also chastened by governor cuomo yesterday, his urgings about not leaving anyone behind, that liz cheney, the republican leadership, who tweeted out there is going to be no functioning economy to go back to if people are dying by the thousands in hospitals. i do think the president was responding to that. continues to embrace the aspirations as it would be nice, that's appealing to a lot of americans out there who treasure their easter holidays. but i don't think he is drawing a line and committing himself to doing that, though there is increasing study of the idea of risk stratification, that some areas or some segments of the population might be safer to resume something like normal activity more than others the most vulnerable. >> well, and, of course, in a couple of weeks, if the current data trends continue, that will be well into the spike of this and not a time when things are slowing down. john harwood, great to have you at the white house. thanks very much. >>> after five marathon days of negotiations, you heard about them here on this broadcast, the senate and the trump adminis

liz cheney the republican member of the house says it is reminiscent of the iran nuclear deal, and thisput it under criticism, it is going to get under his skin. >> and he is wanting to get out of the endless wars and the president is running for re-election and something that he desperately wanted to tell to the voters that they have had success, and it is no doubt an exaggeration that the president says we are done and out, and this is as nic robertson said, a long way to go here and a lot of risks that it could increase terrorism, and the kind of security and stability in afghanistan, that the chart that you showed in recent years has been successful in keeping, and that could be at risk as well. but for the president, i think that he hopes that he is making a bet that you can overstate the positives and that by the time that the election comes, things will be relatively stable, and that the criticism from the right will fade over time as long as things don't get markedly worse there. >> and as long, and that is the test. and consider the remarkable moment, and the huge campaign ahea

eager to reopen the country for business despite warnings not to from republicans, lindsey graham, liz cheneyhers, it is important to underscore who really has the most say in whether or not that actually happens. it is state governors. idaho's republican governor today ordered state residents to stay at home. missouri's governor asked the president to issue a federal disaster declaration for his state. it's also governors and mayors as you heard in the last segment who are pushing for greater federal involvement including the military and for the president to actually use the defense production act and other measures to secure, coordinate and deliver lifesaving equipment and supplies when they're needed now most. that and the mixed messages sometimes coming from the white house, back with dr. sanjay gupta. joining us is ron clean, he ran the white house ebola response in the obama administration. former chief of staffer vice-president biden. what do you make of president trump pushing for the country to essentially reopen by easter? >> well, look, anderson, as you noted, it wasn't the presid

both senator lindsey graham of south carolina, congresswoman liz cheney of wyoming, neither of whom saynything bad about trump basically, said rushing to open up the country is a bad idea. right now americans across the country are at the very best stuck in their homes or leaving the house because they have to work still in fear of catching the virus or transmitting it to people they love. others are stuck in overcrowded hospitals battling a frightening disease with other friends or families by their side. things are bad because of the virus, which is devilish. they're also bad because the president refused to act early on and because he is still holding back now. if he continues to swing wildly back and forth and contradict himself and try to sell america on his own response the way you try to get someone to close on a crappy condo, even more americans where going to suffer. here with me now on more of what needs to be done, democratic senator cory booker of new jersey. senator, let me start with this idea of this sort of drum beat in the last few days of we have to get open, we have t

also from liz cheney in the house republican leadership, saying there will be no functioning economy to go back to if you have got thousands of people dying, laying dying in overflowing hospitals. the president has continued to signal the increasing realism that this is not going to be possible. he just tweeted a few minutes ago that japan had made a very wise decision to postpone the olympics. well, the olympics are scheduled for july. so by praising that decision, he is recognizing that this is going to go on for a while. not just in the united states but around the world. so i think that the president is always pushed and pulled by people he talked to, by polls, by the stock market. we do see the stock market going up today in response to the stimulus bill. that's good news for the economy. ben bernanke, the former fed chair, saying this might not be a great depression. all that is going to be some comfort to the president. he said yesterday he's going to be guided by data. tony fauci said he's going to be guided by data. i think he's backing off that very ambitious timeline. >> w

. >> i was very struck in watching the house floor debate and seeing oscasio-cortez and liz cheney, two very disparate wings, one conservative republican and one progressive democrat, all calling for a vote in passing a bill, a lot of which they didn't like. they saw the need to compromise. i think that is the message. what is your message now? i know you just mentioned congressman massie, but what would you say to him about his resistance today? >> well, i would probably first tell the story about my husband and how close it was and how scary it was this can happen to anyone. and it's going to happen to people that he knows. the second thing i would say is this didn't have everything that i wanted. i wanted more funding for voting at home and mail-in ballots. that's what we're going to need in november. i got some but not what i wanted. but was i going to turn away and vote against that bill because of that? absolutely not. our cities still need more help. we need more equipment out there. but we have to respond. we know people are, through no fault of their own, being uprooted from th

one other thing really too, we can't say it enough, republicans like liz cheney come out and said what we've been saying here, which is that the economic crisis continues as long as there's a health care crisis. you can't rush a pandemic. a pandemic has its own timeline. your job is to shorten that timeline, get past it, and then start working. start working on getting people back to work. >> yeah. well, yesterday we saw on stage at the coronavirus update the president talking for quite some time about money and about the economy and about easter. then his top scientist, ddr and dr. fauci, they were trying their best to tell the truth without getting fired. and there was this disturbing moment where dr. fauci backed up, finished his remarks and stood next to the president and looked at him. and there was a look of concern in his face that, perhaps, the president did not like what he was saying. and i saw in the fox town hall dr. birx talking and the president literally rolling his eyes and acting like a stubborn, spoiled little 5-year-old really anxious for her to stop speaking. becaus

liz cheney tweeted -- there will be no normally functioning economy if our hospitals are overwhelmed. >>> that's paula reed reporting for us. we want to show you why officials say the next few weeks are so important. it took 67 days for the worldwide number of cases reported to reach 100,000, and just four days for go to 300,000. that's why there's high concern in hot spots all across the united states, including right here in new york city. that's where we find our lead national correspondent david, who joins us from -- is new york getting the help it needs from washington? >> tony, they are, but the governor says it's not enough. you're about to sense his frustration. the governor is saying, looking federal government, you're sending, but what you're sending me isn't matching the urgency of the emergency. the governor is trying to convince the government we are the worst of where it is. here in new york, cases are doubling every three days. the white house told people yesterday, if you left new york recently to goo anywhere in the country, you should self-quarantine for 14 days, imm

liz cheney tweeted -- there will be no normally functioning economy if our hospitals are overwhelmed. >>> that's paula reed reporting for us. we want to show you why officials say the next few weeks are so important. it took 67 days for the worldwide number of cases reported to reach 100,000, and just four days for go to 300,000. that's why there's high concern in hot spots all across the united states, including right here in new york city. that's where we find our lead national correspondent david, who joins us from -- is new york getting the help it needs from washington? >> tony, they are, but the governor says it's not enough. you're about to sense his frustration. the governor is saying, looking federal government, you're sending, but what you're sending me isn't matching the urgency of the emergency. the governor is trying to convince the government we are the worst of where it is. here in new york, cases are doubling every three days. the white house told people yesterday, if you left new york recently to goo anywhere in the country, you should self-quarantine for 14 days, imm

the president has people in his own party like liz cheney saying she is concerned about the 5,000 taliban. there are folks on both sides. what's the bottom line in terms of whether or not we can trust the taliban moving forward? >> the bottom line is we do not have another option here. the taliban is a land-holding entity. they aren't going away. i don't want to see another generation of soldiers sent to a war that doesn't necessarily have to be conducted. but that does not equate to isolationism. we have to maintain the capacity to go after and kill terrorists wherever they may be. afghanistan included. and we have to maintain the military capacity to go back into afghanistan if the taliban or any other entity makes the same mistake that they made decades ago when they hosted al qaeda. but we have to work with the world as it stands. we can't be utopian or can't put on blindfolds and we shouldn't unnecessarily be wasting blood and treasure. >> ed: we appreciate your time this morning. thank you, sir. >> thank you so much for having me again. >> sandra: now a ruling against top immigratio

congresswoman liz cheney didn't go to the meeting over the weekend because of her concerns over coronavirusrepublicans grappling with all of this. they're also trying to think ahead. do they need to push this president, not only to address the health and management issues of coronavirus, but will there need to be a fiscal stimulus, economic stimulus late into the year to provide stability to the economy? those are some of the conversations that are already happening. the problem for president trump is he has a new chief of staff in mark meadows who has some relationship with democrats, but the president is at a stand-off with speaker pelosi. congress isn't in a perfect position, based on my reporting, to come forward a major package. >> john, before the president of the united states starts talking about fiscal stimulus, we need him to talk about the coronavirus and what his administration is doing. i think the president himself needs to assure americans he understands how critical the timing is of his response, instead of tweeting out conspiracy theory tweets last night. >> yeah, i think t

liz: let's bring in my next guest the former security advisor to dick cheney. great to see you.eat to see see you. and outrage of the lack of testing coming for the coronavirus out of the government. president trump at the cdc trying to calm the water saying anyone can get a test for coronavirus, 700,000 now available, the media criticized the fda for promising a million test this week. your reaction? >> from what i can tell from the press conference out of the white house, they taken a rational approach to decentralize the testing. it's gone to the states. so people in the various states, doctors can refer things there. in some ways, this all reminds me of the post 9/11 environment on terrorism where there's a lot of emotion, a lot of fear but it takes a lot of coordination from the federal government and local authorities based on science try to get after how do we deal with the threat in this case if the potential is contagious. to get the test out was a very important first step. liz: do you think there's an overreaction that there's a mysterious here, were seen various head