liz cheney has said she does not want them to hold office.showing what they once had. delicious effects really effective. >> the bayous independents? >> exactly, i'm not using liz cheney in the campaign trail. >> it is a very interesting point to have the enthusiasm gap between both sides and he just raised another point, the independent swing voters. my concern if i was a democrat, do you particularly further increase enthusiasts on the right or right leaning independents by having liz cheney oh. cnn donald trump is the worst, i'd also say the i'm not certain that every democrat in every congressional district in the country will look at liz cheney has somebody say that this is what former republican looks like that i should hold in high regard. a lot of democrats and i've seen pointed out in the past, some of liz cheney's problematic button issues. >> she voted about donald trump and like 97%. >> again this is a narrow margin. you're gonna be winning by narrow margins. if you're able to shift two, three, five, seven voters as effective. you

liz cheney talking the talk and very much walking the walk. that was on saturday in austin, texas, where she affirmed the commitment includes not only potentially leaving the gop, but perhaps campaigning for democratic candidates because the way she sees it, this is a fight for democracy. >> assuming the margins of victory are going to be slim, what can be done to be sure the integrity of the results will be upheld and the dually elected officials get to take their seats? >> this is one of many reasons why elections matter so much. and it's the point that evan and i were talking about that in this election, you have to vote for the person who actually believes in democracy and that is just crucial because if we elect election deniers, people who have said they're not going to certify results or steal elections, then we are really putting the republic at risk. >> let's bring in john heilemann, host and executive producer of showtime's circus. let me show you one more thing liz cheney said about campaigning for katie hobbs. >> are you going to c

speaking of liz cheney. years ago, the house freedom caucus went to our leadership and said she has got to go. she does not speak for us and she's coming out against republican members because she disagrees with their votes. she's got to go. leadership said we should be honored to have liz cheney in our conference leading us. that's what they said. we brought it back in february of 2021. we brought the issue back. our leadership went out and got the votes for her to stay the conference chair three months later. she was voting for impeachment and working with the democrats on the j six committee. we finally got our leadership to kick her off that leadership position. we will get small victories but you have to have leverage and you have to be willing to fight. we talked about leverage. we talked about knowing what team you're on. ladies and gentlemen, everybody that runs for congress ran because they knew something was messed up in washington. it ain't go there to do the same things over and over again. yet t

we just heard there that pretty forceful statement from liz cheney.ou think she ends up, and do you think republicans care? >> look, privately there are a lot of republicans that support what she's doing in terms of standing up for defending freedom, peaceful transfer of power and upholding the rule of law. but publicly, many of them are saying don't let the door hit you on the way out. they say she has caused too much attention to her frustration with donald trump and what he's done with january 6th, and they are happy to see her leave. i talked with her camp, and they tell me she doesn't really want to leave the republican party, but if he's the nominee she has no choice. she would view donald trump as the nominee of the republican party in 2024 as the party is more of a cultive personality as opposed to a party of principle. and what we need to do moving forward is get back to the principles and focus on what voters care about which is the economy, inflation and crime. we don't need to continue to carry water on donald trump for his past grievances

this is something proposed by liz cheney and zoe lofgren.ing another january 6th because that's the goal here, right? you've got the senate that has a similar plan in the works but with only a few weeks left in the current congressional term and lawmakers split on which way to go, you could see a lame duck showdown. ali and look are with us. ali, let me start with you on these reforms. in some ways, this is a bill that comes from the work of the january 6th select committee, which both women serve on. >> that's right. you have to look at what's in it and you'll see those direct lines between what the committee has been presenting in its hearings and then the legislative fixes they've been proposing. saying that the vice president's role in counting votes the ministerial, taking any question of what the vice president can do out of question. trying to define that better. also raising the threshold to objecting to electors. something that was a key conversation happening during january 6th that the committee has spent so much time focusing on.

and liz cheney is right.mp is going to leave and, you know, let's just keep electing these people even if their election matters or not. liz cheney believes, i happen to believe the same thing and i have for some time, it's no longer about liberal versus conservative. republican versus democrat. it's about whether you support western democracy, whether you support preelections, or whether you support an ill-liberal form of democracy. i think the most surprising thing, at this phase now, we have people who are going out actively trying to take control of the conservative movement of the republican party, who are saying liberal democracy doesn't work. they want to move to what orban is doing, they want to move more towards what putin is doing. they want to move away from democracy. move away from free elections because they think western democracy has been too corrupting. it's really bizarre that they're actually admitting this out loud. but they are. >> and that's the trump issue. and that used to be in itself

. >> congresswoman liz cheney taking a stand saying she'll do whatever it takes to keep trump and other election deniers out of office including campaigning with democrats. >>> you're live in the cnn "newsroom." >>> hello again, everyone. thank you for joining me. i'm fredricka whitfield. right now in the state of florida a state of emergency is in effect statewide, and the governor is calling up the national guard as tropical storm ian gains strength and moves closer to florida's west coast. ian is expected to intensify into a cat gather 4 had and making landfall as early as wednesday night. governor desantis is urging people to prepare now. >> expect heavy rains, strong winds, flash flooding, storm surge and even isolated tornadoes. make preparations now, and i know a lot of people have been doing it throughout the state of florida and the things you should be prepared with food, water, batteries, medicine, fuel. anticipate the closer you are to where the eye of the storm makes landfall, anticipate power outages. that is something that will likely happen with a hurricane of this magni

there are a lot of democrats who are fans of liz cheney actually. jonah, what's your take on this, the politics, what it would mean? is there, in your view, a valid reason to think about that or is that just a really bad idea? >> first of all i actually think it's never been true that the president is above the law, below the law i think is the wrong framing of it that you hear all over the place. it is -- there's just a different standard for presidents. the standard position of the justice department is you can't indict a sitting president. >> he's not a sitting president. >> i understand. but my point is we treat presidents differently in this country in all sort of ways. personally -- i've been meaning to write this for a while. i think the ideal scenario would be for the justice department to indict trump and then for president biden to take one for the team and actually pardon trump on the condition that he never run for office again. that would hurt him politically. it would be patriotic and good for the country. it would be a profile in cour

and liz cheney is a chip off the old block. k that her father was, very much the conservative that her father was. >> narrator: cheney became a staunch defender of trump against democrats'harges he abused his office by pressuring the ukrainian president to dig up dirt on joe biden. >> the president pressured ukraine's leader about eight times, eight times... >> our democratic colleagues have been working remove this president since the day he was elected. >> cheney led the charge in defending trump, while excoriating nancy pelosi and her democrats for what she believed was an unjust process, and essentially a witch hunt against the president. >> nowhere in the constitution does it say if you are angry at the president, or you are afraid you can't beat him in the next election, that you can just assume impeachable conduct, yet that's what the democrats are doing. >> narrator: cheney held the republicans in the house together. none of them voted for impeachment. (gavel bangs) >> on this vote, article one is adopted. >> it's not ju

because people like liz cheney, highly respected conservatives, who has senior positions in your partyliz. liz cheney says that donald trump is now running a crusade that is undermining american democracy. your lens of what's going on in america is a bit cloudy. liz cheney hates trump's guts. because she hates what donald trump is doing to america. all i can say is that donald trump i think was a consequential president in terms of making america strong, securing the border, taking the fight to al-qaeda in the most effective way. we'll go on and on about his accomplishments but january the 6th was a bad day for the country. but it's notjust about january the 6th. it's about here we are, today, about to go into midterm elections, with donald trump, who de facto is the most important figure in your party who may well be about to announce a run for the presidency in 202a. a man who still says the election was stolen from him, in effectjoe biden is an illegitimate president and that the united states right now is a delegitimised democracy. he is undermining all of the institutions of your

. >>> liz cheney shared details yesterday about what she experienced on january 6th. speaking at a conference in washington, cheney recounted a conversation she had with an unnamed republican colleague shortly before the violence broke out who she says was going along reluctantly with donald trump's plan to block the certification of election results. >> i, you know, in the cloak room on january 6th before the attack happened, there were so many who wanted to show they were objecting that they had set up these sign up sheets in the cloak room, and as i was sitting there, a member came in, and he signed his name on each one of the state's sheets and then he said under his breath the things we do for the orange jesus. and i thought, you know, you're taking an act that is unconstitutional. >> it would be funny if it weren't so awful what happened after he signed those papers and talked about orange jesus, be it is so telling about the state of the republican party that they know, they know how dangerous and how bad it is, and they still signed those papers and signed alon

you know, 70% of the vote in 2020, you know, liz cheney got more votes than trump did. but yeah, it doesn't seem like a ideal place for her. i mean, but, you know, she's getting i mean, yeah, i think it's unlikely she wins. i don't think that will stop her from sort of pursuing this. i think she could very well for president or you know, i think kinzinger might if she doesn't, i think you know, i think she has made it very clear and i admire the hell out of this. she's playing for history. she's playing keeps. and she's one of the very few people that i interviewed in doing this book that was was willing to say that their legacy that she thinks about, her legacy cares about what her grandkids are going to read about in history books about how their grandma or mother performed during these days. and i guarantee you that you, my grandkids, if they up on history, will will it liz cheney will come out looking a lot better than elise stefanik or kevin mccarthy or any of that. now, is that just pollyannish northwest washington guy giving a book talk maybe, but i think that co

by congresswoman liz cheney.d wednesday would be the last of them initially saying that it's not. check to that, so top on that if you would ali. also, this idea that there's the possibility that she could easily leave the republican party. >> yeah, both of those headlines coming out of her conversation here in austin last night. the first, that this could be the last of the hearing. i think that when congresswoman cheney says that she expects there to be more, certainly we could see more hearings in the investigating and storytelling role that we have seen time and again over the course of the summer from the committee. we expect that's what wednesday is going to look like but there are also promises of when they released their interim report and then later their final report towards the end of the year that they could do hearings around those, the format would likely change in less of a storytelling mold and more of a fact gathering in something it all up mode. still, we expect those to be hearings have some po

first, new details about the january 6th committee's next hearing scheduled for next week, and liz cheneyals a story she heard the day of the riots. >> as i was sitting there, a member came in and he signed his name on each one of the state's sheets, and he said under his breath, the things we do for the orange jesus. smoky capicola, genoa salami and pepperoni! it's the dream team of meats. i've still got my uniform. it's subway's biggest refresh yet. i would say that to me an important aspect is too... meta portal with smart sound. helps reduce your background noise. bring that sense of calm, really... so you come through, loud and clear. meta portal. the smart video calling device that makes work from home work for you. republicans in congress call them "entitlements." a "ponzi scheme." the women and men i served with in combat, we earned our benefits. just like people earned their social security and medicare benefits. but republicans in congress have a plan to end so-called "entitlements" in just five years. social security, medicare, even veterans benefits. go online and read the rep

we've obviously seen what happened with liz cheney going against donald trump.e won't be in congress once the new term convenes in january. listen, this is all self-interested, all about a transactional relationship with donald trump. this is why he has remained so powerful over these last years. >> there's an effort in the house, a bipartisan measure, to clear up any ambiguity about the electoral counteract, the idea that -- there really is not any ambiguity in the views of a lot of people, but this notion that the vice president can unilaterally say i'm not counting the votes from arizona. house republican leader kevin mccarthy is whipping against it, meaning tell republican house members to vote against it, even though liz cheney worked on it, it's not a partisan bill. >> a similar bill has a fair amount of republican support in the senate. i hope democrats can overcome this. i can't imagine anything more partisan than saying you don't want fair elections. it's not a question of whether the vice president can decide which votes to count. that's clear under th

i want to play some of liz cheney's congregate out of form last night. we'll please >> one of the thing that surprises. we're the most about my work on this committee is how sophisticated the plan was that donald trump was involved in and overshot. every step of the way it was a multi part plan that he oversaw, he was involved in personally indirectly. >> so, the same will not be the last hearing that this will see. >> it won't be the last hearing. >> congressman, your reaction to cheney's comment. . >> i've not been surprised at all about the sophistication of this. i saw this developing even before this man was elected. the fact of the matter is you may recall i said a national television, the night before he gave a joint speech for a joint session of congress. it was not of state. i said that night if he was not planning to give up the office. when i was asked that night whether or not from the history i was given whether not i was calling him hitler. i said no, i'm calling a mussolini. putin is hitler. and everything i said that night has come to pas

what do you think about what you hear from liz cheney there?art of the republican party? >> i think it's about time. i left the republican party six years ago. i came to washington to work on the republican senate staff in 1 1970. i can tell her there's life after the republican party. it's not like leaving a family or a church. parties are useful until they're not useful anymore. if she comes to the conclusion, as i did then in june 2016, that the republican party wasn't for people like me, leave. >> she's talking about leaving. has the party already left her? >> that ruz ronald reagan's saying about the new deal democrats. they've certainly left a lot of us. the question is do you stay and fight. they nominated trump in '16, nominated him in 2020. the platform for the republican party in 2020 was -- our platform is whatever he wants. if they no, ma'am neat for a third time, three times is a pattern, it's a habit and it's not a virtue. i think she would be fair to conclude that she has to shop elsewhere for a political home. >> if republicans

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committee vice chair congresswoman liz cheney can give us a hint of what we can expect on wednesday sane any, about criminal reform will be unanimous, cheney is also sal just in this hearing may not be the last. for more on what we can expect from the committee this week, we are joined by nbc news correspondent, and he rapid. >> good morning katie. that's right. liz cheney is closing out this texas tribune festival in august last night with some hints about what we can expect to see on wednesday. most notably, she broke with what committee members, other committee members, have talked about earlier this week when they said this is likely to be the last public hearing by the january six committee. she stopped short of offering any more details on that, but she did say that she doesn't think this will be the last. she also said that the committee has received much more cooperation in coordination with the secret service. she said those deleted text messages at the committee have been asking for, -- she did say the committee has received other kinds of communication from the secret service.

liz cheney has said that. not exactly those words but exactly the same substance. of what abraham lincoln said over a century and a half ago. we came face-to-face with a similar danger on january 6 last year. it was rationalized then. and sadly it's being rationalized now. history will judge. the insurrection revealed how a willful and false refusal to accept the certified and judicially confirmed, the gentleman from illinois said we'd gone to the court, not we, but the trump administration, went to the courts, and lost time after time after time after time. and to this day, they do not accept what al gore accepted, that we are a nation of laws. not of one man. there are ambiguities in our electoral system and they can jeopardize our democracy. that's what this bill is about. upholding our democracy. questions surrounding the vice president's role in counting electoral votes served as a pretense for the ince electionists' assault on the capitol. fortunately, their conspiracy, their plot, failed. in that incident that the gentleman from georgia talked about, police

geoff: i want to ask you about something congresswoman liz cheney, your colleue, said publicly yesterday january 6 committee has obtained some 800,000 u.s. secret service commucations from on or around january 6. she says some of the texts are gone, but there are other forms of communication now in the committee's possession. what more can you tell us about that, and what do you see as the significance of those documents? >> i think it gives us some insight into what the secret service knew, what they communicated to other law enforcement agencies, most particularly the capitol police, who are charged with securing the safety of the capitol, certainly what the president's intentions were on the sixth. there's a whole variety -- liz is right. some of the text messages, as we know, were erased, even though the service have been ordered to preserve them. but there are other forms of information. there is radio traffic. there are emails. there is teams messages and on and on. it's a huge volume of material and, frankly, it's a huge task to go through and sort through what's relevant and what

you bring up liz cheney, they talked about how best can we turn the party away from trump and cheneyut, use your leadership to give republicans cover to do the vote that's going to be politically toxic. he said to her, i agree with you trump is a danger to democracy. but let's just ignore him, he started to worry if they convicted trump it might empower him more and he would be a martyr and come back. >> it said that mitch mcconnell considered this an off ramp. that says that's not your conscience talking that's looking for a way out of a difficult situation. and it's difficult for republicans to follow their guts, conscience, and buck a figure like trump and mcconnell thought of this as something that would get him out of that predictment. >> trump drove down that off ramp and is still driving down the highway. >> yeah. >> mitch mcconnell didn't want trump to be able to run for president again. however, he was getting some legal advice that even if the senate convicted and said you can't run again it may not have held up. explain. >> there was a presumption that maybe somebody would

conservative lawmaker liz cheney is drawing a line in the sand if republicans nominate donald trump forn. she says she will leave the party and campaign for rival democrats. cnn's diana diaz has more from washington. >> reporter: in a wide ranging interview sunday night congresswoman liz cheney dodging questions about whether she plans to run for president in 2024, and most notably saying that she would leave the republican party should donald trump receive the republican nomination in 2024. take a listen to what she said. >> i'm going to do everything i can to make sure carrie lake is not elected. >> so -- does that include campaigning for democrats if that's what it takes? >> yes. >> it does, okay. >> incredibly strong comments coming from cheney who was once seen as a rising star of the republican party. she was the gop conference chair in the house, of course the daughter of former vice president dick cheney and a conservative. now she's been shunned by her party because of her comments on donald trump saying that the election was stolen from him, calling out those lies repeatedly a

the president could create a committee by executive order to finish this job, and liz cheney won't be in congress, maybe she could be a cochair, do you do that to preserve in investigation? >> it would have gotten better had trump not gotten the republicans to vetoage independent style commission, but we're going to make sure all of the evidence is concerned, but the main thing at 1:00 p.m. this wednesday, we want america to understand there was a premedicated hit on american democracy, an attempt to override the will of the people. the forces that supported that are still out there. they would gladly do it again. a lot of them are running for high offices like mastriano in pennsylvania. they are basically committed to their party winning, regardless of who actually won the election. >> are you more confident than three years ago that the department of justice is pretty focused on this january 6th investigation? >> it's become clear that the department of justice will be following all of these crimes, and that nobody gets a special exception because they're a former president of the u

which is not a surprise here, liz cheney says if donald trump is the nominee in 2024, she, elizliz cheney republican. >> will you remain a republican regardless of what happens in the next election? >> i'm going to make sure donald trump is not the nominee, and if he is the nominee, i won't be a republican. >> she also says this year she's willing to go out and campaign for democrats, essentially. campaign against republicans who are election deniers. she mentioned the republican candidate for governor of arizona. >> the question is how much difference does that make. this is a party that left her some time ago. it's remarkable to think in this congress she was the number three republican in the house gop conference but was rejected, taken out of that position because of her criticism of donald trump. she lost her primary rather resoundingly this past summer. it's clear even though she and her family represent what has been the establishment wing of the party for so long, she is in the very minority of the party in calling out donald trump so publicly so, yes, she may want to leave the re

. >> you can look at liz cheney of there being a spectrum shall we say in the republican party.e monolith, even when we're talking about partnership. let me ask you, mark, republicans are slamming president biden's speech for many of the reasons ron has articulated. it's divisive. it's political. but, i mean, the de facto leader of the republican party, one named donald trump, is embracing the people who stormed the capitol, talking about maybe even pardoning those who may be prosecuted and convicted. i wonder in this overall scheme of things, it appears to be this identity crisis. not one from within, but one of how they're being perceived. do you think that the gop has come to terms with what party they have become, at least in the eyes of many voters? >> well, i think ron put a fine point on it, which is what's happening and what is effective about what joe biden is doing is that he is confronting the entire republican party with an inconvenient truth. now there is a good portion of that party which we know, of course, will embrace the inconvenient, will deny the inconvenient

kinzingers and liz cheneys. i'm not hopeful. >> i wish i could be.oters, if the base is not going to listen to general mark milley, not going to listen to mark kelly, bill barr, or people in other positions to see exactly what donald trump was and how he behaved as president, if those people are not going to move the needle, what can i do to change the dynamic other than throw myself on a political hand grenade like liz cheney? so, there is this sense of not just cowardice, but the sense of futility to do anything about it. but this is a very, very dangerous moment for america. and you know, i don't want to -- i don't want to have my hair on fire here, but you know, when you have the former president of the united states with the largest mega phone on the right openly talking about the american people not standing for something, we've seen the potential for violence. in fact, it's not just potential violence -- we've seen crazied individuals who have sent pipe bombs to people in the media. we've seen people who shoot up fbi buildings. we've seen what

>> yes. >> it does, okay [applause] >> america democracy so acute the republican congresswoman liz cheney democrats in november. it will be a completely shocking statement, we're not for the january six committee hearings, cultured by cheney and democratic congressman bennie thompson of mississippi, highlighting the threat to american democracy, which is the number one issue for voters, according to a recent nbc news survey. higher cost of living and the economy. there's at least one more hearing in the docket as we head towards election day. this wednesday afternoon, we expect to hear more about donald trump's actions and inaction during the capitol riot. perhaps, a result of new interviews conducted and investigatory leads followed since the last he leads back in july. members have said there's still a large amount of evidence to display, but there has been no witness list provided for this hearing. you can of course watch the hearing live on msnbc, and special coverage, starting at eight eastern. and wednesday night, right here at 8 pm eastern, it's the latest edition of our primetime

did you hear what liz cheney said about carrie lake?r not to let carrie lake get -- become the governor of arizona and yes, that does include campaigning for democrats. we'll get into it. and of course, the gop has answers, the commitment to america, steve scalise will walk us through what is in the package and why they're making a case to voters with 40 plus days away from the midterm elections. we have breaking news coming up. we'll see you in 10 minutes. rachel: the interview with carrie lake i'm so excited about it. carrie lake, liz cheney. i'm excited to see this interview. thanks a lot, maria. you know him from songs like beer's on me and today he has a special performance for tunnels for towers but first he joins us live on "fox & friends." i'm gonna earn 3% on dining including takeout with chase freedom unlimited. that's a lot of cash back. are you gonna stop me? uh-oh... i'm almost there... too late! boom! earn big time with chase freedom unlimited with no annual fee. how do you cashback? chase. make more of what's yours. my mo

we start with a new interview by republican congresswoman liz cheney over the weekend. the wyoming representative who lost her re-election bid in a bitter primary battle last month says she'll do whatever it takes to keep former president donald trump from taking back the white house in 2024. and that includes campaigning for democrats and leaving the republican party if necessary. >> we cannot afford to be a society where we're tearing each other apart. think about what the leaders say about american democracy. they say our elections can't really -- they don't work, they don't reflect the role of people. those are the same things that donald trump says about our democratic process. and we have an obligation to make sure, and i certainly will, whatever it takes to make sure donald trump isn't anywhere close to the oval office again. >> and last thing on this, and if that means if you determine between now and whatever point that the best way for you to keep him from winning the presidency again is for you to seek it yourself, you're holding open the possibility? >> i wi

. >>> plus congresswoman liz cheney threatening to leave her own party if donald trump becomes the republican nominee in 2024. we're going to tell you how she plans to fight to keep the former president of the and now people in iran and around the world are demanding answers. >> and prepare for impact. nasa getting ready to slam a spacecraft into an asteroid. we'll explain what nas's's doing here. >>> good morning, everyone. it is sunday, september 25th, the start of a wonderful week, trying to channel some of that positive boris energy. thanks for waking up with us. hi, boris. >> good morning, amra. it's all a if a sad. but woo this morning all of florida is watching what's happening in the caribbean as strop. >>> the latest forecast shows it's growing to a category four hurricane over the gulf of mexico before making landfall somewhere in florida. >> you don't know exactly where it's going to hit at this point. yesterday florida governor ron desantis extending an emergency order to include the entire state and president biden declaring an emergency for florida, putting fema and other federa

so liz cheney should probably turn her voter registration.ally is a democrat after all. maria: let's talk about your agenda. she said it does include campaigning with the them the accurates to make sure that you don't win. [laughter] democrats. tell me what your priorities are, and then i want to get to the dobbs ruling and and your thoughts on abortion. i know we haven't heard from you on that subject, but go lu your agenda. >> well, first and foremost, that border. day one we're going to issue a declaration of invasion, call it what it is, and we're winning to get troops on the ground and stop people from coming over, give reinforcements to our border sheriffs and stop this madness. we just had the largest drug can bust in the history of drug busts in phoenix, arizona, this week, a million fentanyl pills. this is a poisoning of america. i don't even call them drug overdose cans because one pill, one-half a pill can kill you. they are trying to take down this country. all you have to do is look back in history at the opium wars and see that

we heard liz cheney there. she and the other members of the january 6th committee will be back before the americans people this week with another hearing, and there are some new details starting to emerge about that day. >> yeah, one of the committee members acknowledging the committee is aware of this detail making headlines that there could have been a call between the white house switchboard and a january 6th rioter. the committee has been careful not to get ahead of this hearing. it could be their last one. but they're promising they will fill in some of the details and show a coordinated plot from the former president to overturn the election results and they're promising this hearing will be sweeping and have new information. whit. >> maryalice, thank you. >> stay with abc news. david and the entire team will have live coverage of wednesday's january 6th hearings starting at 1:00 p.m. eastern. >>> tonight, u.s. officials are condemning the most recent missile launch from north korea. south korea says the

there is news on the legislation that you and liz cheney are working on. tell us where that stands. >> we think it is an important piece of legislation. we know the president was vie violating the electoral count act and as well as the 12th amendment. and there is looseness in that that invites mischief and so liz cheney and i have worked very hard, and the january 6 committee is not just about fact finding but recommending legislation difference changes to make us safer. and we do a number of things.ifo make us safer. and we do a number of things. the ex-president lied to people and made them believe that pence had the authority to throw the election out and impose his will to make trump the president even though he lost the election. and we made it completely clear that that is not the case along with raising the threshold for objections, making sure that the objections are rooted in the constitution, not fantasies. and a number of other procedural protections that we think will go a long ways to prevent the kind of misconduct that the ex-president engag

vice chair liz cheney saying this week's hearing on wednesday will not be the last. cheney saturday sharing an update on key witnesses for the committee. telling the texas audience that she is quote hopeful mike pence will agree to an interview. cheney says former president trump will only be allowed to testify under oath risking perjury charges for any, you know, truthfulness. cheney also suggesting that some secret service agents may have lied to the select committee. the committee is sorting through more than 800,000 pages of secret service communication. the agency admitted to the leading crucial tax from the day the capitol attack. >> the text messages themselves and many cases are gone. >> interesting. >> there are other forms of communication like teams messages, emails. >> i think if you look at what happened that day, you will see that there were secret service agents who were playing a hugely important very courageous role. i think that there are some who have not been forthcoming with the committee. we will learn more about that. >> joining me now is the c

>> liz cheney is the voice -- >> other than liz cheney. >> yeah, you're right. she's literally in an interview i was with her in austin where she does this interview, it sounds as if she'll be supporting the democrat for governor in some of these races. that's where we're at because she's not welcome despite her position. so look, i think it shows you the hubris that there's this danish documentary cruel following them. the alex holder documentary, they truly feel like they're above the law. mark meadows is sending these texts, the electoral college has already met. all this stuff is already done. so all of -- it's the hubris of all these guys to feel like they're above the law and they can continue to push this, and i think you're exactly right, it seems so obvious there should be people speaking out. that's why the liz cheney thing is so courageous and frustrating. why doesn't everybody sound like her. it's so obvious this is wrong and the state of affairs, she's vanquished to the other party. >> one more, adam kinzinger. that's it, you have a party of two. by

. >> plus congresswoman liz cheney says she is ready to part ways with her party if donald trump becomes the nominee in 2024. we'll tell you how she plans to keep fighting to prevent the former president from running for the white house. >> and making a direct appeal to russian fighters being called up into harm's way. >>> plus, a hollywood actress st stalked for more than a decade. we'll tell you about the dna technology that helped solve this crime. >>> the start of a new week, sunday, september 25th. thank you so much for waking up with us. amara, good morning. >> it's always so refreshing to hear you say it's the start of a new week. we are watching one storm, all of florida watching the caribbean this morning as tropical storm ian continues to gain strength. the latest forecast shows it's growing to a category four hurricane over the gulf of mexico before slamming into florida. it would be the first major hurricane to hit the state in four years. >> so yesterday florida governor ron desantis extended an emergency order to include the entire state and president biden declared an emer

i would not overstate how lonely -- i mean, look, liz cheney, i mean, the few people who have spokenof, you know, their jobs in many cases, yes, everyone says, oh, they're out there. they don't have a constituency. they speak for a lot of people. and i think when biden goes out there and says, you know, takes the democracy message as frontally as he had recently, there's a math calculation, too, which is that, say, conservatively, half the republican party today, and that large number of independents, are appalled by trump, appalled by this anti-democratic fervor and what's taken hold. he is trying very, very diligently, biden is, to differentiate between the maga republicans and, i hate to say good republicans because it has all kind of historic echos, but basically republicans who know that the sky is blue, right? who know that this is a nuts conversation to be having, and the problem with trump's, you know, putting this on the ballot, essentially, and keeping himself on the ballot is he makes a lot of candidates look like idiots. i mean, dr. oz today was asked very straightforward