i came to the moment because of liz cheney. republicans like liz cheney and kinsinger could play a similar role in this year's election. they could reach moderates and independents and voters that otherwise might not pay attention to democrats and biden. with polls showing that this will be a highly competitive contest, these voters may help to decide this year's race and there are plenty of other republicans whose voices could help move the needle and stop trump is on. for instance, a number of former trumpet ministers officials, aides and staffers have gone on the record to discuss what they witnessed or learned about trump as a leader and why it disturbed them. and in an unusual development, sitting republican congress members are publicly saying that they won't vote, endorse or support their party's presumptive nominee in november which includes the gop 2012 presidential nominee mitt romney who some say he has not gone far enough. but has to some degree put his name and reputation on the line to warn about the dangers of tr

liz cheney, the same thing.ow as part of a mission to try to make sure that donald trump doesn't get into the white house we have to be together, right? even if we part ways on a whole host of other policy issues, we have to recognize that in this moment we have to be part of a strong alliance to make sure that this deed is done. and i think that's where joe biden and the democrats are really -- need to get the credit because they've elevated voices like liz cheney. you have anthony on. but we've also elevated the stories of, for example, the justins in tennessee that were expelled from the state house. i've been hear the mayor of baltimore talking about hey, we've got this bridge collapse that i'm dealing with, but by the way i have to deal with people subtly calling me the "n" word and what that means not just to the city of baltimore but to every big city and every mayor like me across the country. i think what the party has done is educate on not just the overt actions but the subtle actions and why that's i

transcribed interview she had a meeting with liz cheney. fired her existing attorney. alyssa cheney arrange for her to get a different attorney and then they held a fourth transcribed interview. but unlike the others this was just her at liz cheney in her hideaway office in the capitol the only other presence was a court reporter. after words, liz cheney showed the videotape of her testimony and the committee moved to have an emergency hearing at that moment to parade her in front of america that she could tell the sensational stories they never tried to corroborate her story at all. in fact, going forward i told our team as we started looking at the transcribed interviews don't just look at the way people answer questions look at the questions that were asked and more importantly the questions that were not asked to. many times they would not ask first hand -- my people had a firsthand account of these instances they would not ask these questions because they did not want anyone to give a testimony counter to it cassidyt cassidy hutchinson

in a post liz cheney saying this, quote, the gop has chosen. they will nominate a man who attempted to overturn an election and seize power. we -- we have eight months to save our republic, and ensure that donald trump is never anywhere near the oval office again. then liz cheney sent people to this video originally released in may. watch. >> donald trump is the only president in american history who has refused to guarantee the peaceful transfer of power. >> joe biden -- >> he lost the election and knew it. he betrayed millions of americans by telling them the election was stolen. >> we will stop the steal -- >> he ignored the rulings of dozens of courts. rather than accept his defeat, he mobilized a mob to come to washington and march on the capitol. then he watched on television while the mob attacked law enforcement, invaded the capitol, and hunted the vice president. he refused for three hours to tell the mob to leave. there has never been a greater dereliction of duty by any president. trump was warned repeatedly that his plans for januar

i agree with liz cheney. that is probably the first and last time i have ever said that but she is being very -- think about all the republicans who were afraid to go against trump. think about mitch mcconnell, right? powerful, wealthy, has security, refused to go against trump. all of these people who were just like, it's not worth it. i'll just take -- i will just endure. it's not worth the threat, and here is liz cheney and she's really doing the brave thing and there are not very many republicans doing it, so good for her. i mean, i hope there will be more. my fantasy is that nikki haley will come out. i don't think that's likely but you are going to need a critical mass and then there are the generals who served in this admin who have a lot of criticisms, and i hope they will come out publicly and speak out. >> it seems only a problem with more republicans coming out publicly whether it is mike pence, liz cheney, may be potentially nikki haley -- the more the republican version of trump world pushes them

andrew, liz cheney certainly shares your view of this.nt do, given what we presume to be the schedule of the supreme court here? >> well, there's nothing we can do about the fact that the supreme court has been lollygagging, that it really has delayed when it would hear the case, so it's now hearing the case on the last day of this term, so that's april 25th. so that is set in stone but what it can do and what ryan and i tried to write about was what can be done at the oral argument to crest the conservative justices who i think are putting their thumb on the scale for a delay, and to press trump's counsel on why there is no legal, legitimate grounds to delay a ruling in this case in other words, that the ruling on immunity should come forth with, and we spell out all the reasons. you lawrence, have heard me repeatedly talk about on the show how the public has a right for a speedy trial. here, we not only talk about that but we point out that donald trump's only interest here, the only issue in the supreme court is the one of immunity, it

. >> liz cheney's stark warning about a second trump presidency as trump works feverishly to get his criminal and civil cases thrown out. >>> also tonight, getting the band back together. former president barack obama joins president biden and former president clinton for an historic fund-raiser that is happening right now. and with immigration a top election issue, the baltimore bridge disaster points to the critical and sometimes dangerous work being done by immigrants in america. >>> and we begin tonight with a history making gathering of the presidents club. as we speak, there is a one of a kind event happening right across the street from where i'm sitting at this moment at new york's famed radio city music hall. i should note that outside the hall, on sixth avenue, a massive crowd of protesters has been growing, playing music and chanting for nearly two hours. protest seems to be focused on the issue of gaza. inside radio city music hall, president biden and former presidents barack obama and bill clinton are joining forces for a star-studded fund-raiser with the shared mission

liz cheney isn't in congress anymore. tomorrow to ask what other investigation if she withheld. liz cheney put it in her nuclear football and tried to bury it. maria: but where is the information now? did she destroy documents? if. >> that's the critical question that i hope congress is answering, because i don't have access to that. we now know she withheld information of evidence. we are hearing from chairman loudon -- loudermilk's committee that certain things were destroyed. we need to have a full on investigation of every staffer and every congressman and woman on that committee to get that answer, otherwise we're never going to know the full truth. they told us that bowser orer and pelosi actually wanted security, that was another lie that we disproved yet again with this critical testimony. they're the ones that yes -- rejected it, and cheney knew about the rejection and still tried to campaign on a disinformation projection for donald trump about he was somehow committing insurrection are. you're right, maria,ing

this is what liz cheney has been waiting for. and the reality is, she now knows cia hasn't gotten all the delegates, but he is the presumptive nominee. i expect that she will be out there calling out trump at every turn. she will do whatever she can to stop him i think she will also be doing events in battleground states, and i wouldn't be surprised to see her out campaigning for democrats for congressional seats, house and senate, because she believes it is critical that congress is controlled by democrats imagine this liz cheney will be campaigning for democrats. >> she left iliac a little peace out there. that's remarkable in its own right. but she said, she said if trump is the nominee, she would no longer consider yourself a republican. does she make a clean break or does she say like in remission until he's still around? does she make a clean break and you didn't mention president biden. does she see a world in which president biden would be smarter, especially in some of the battleground states to have her standing right,

came to this moment because of liz cheney. now, republicans like cheney could play a similar role in this year's election. they could reach moderates, independents, and a set of right voters who might otherwise not pay attention to biden and other democrats. with polls showing that this will be a highly competitive contest, these voters may help to decide this year's race. and there are plenty of other republicans whose voices could help move the needle and stop trumpism. a number of former trump administration officials, aides, and staffers have gone on the record to witness what they thought about trump as leader and why disturbed them. and an unusual development, sitting republican congress members are publicly saying that they won't vote, endorse, or support their parties presumptive nominee in the november. that includes mitt romney, who though some say he has not gone far enough, has, to some degree, but his name and reputation on the line to warn about the dangers of trumpism. the same cannot be said about many other rep

eventually, i got connected to liz cheney through alyssa. she thought i might be willing to cooperate with the january 6 committee. obviously, i wasn't sympathetic to the cause and believed there needed to be an investigation. then, when they asked me to publicly testify, i was more than happy tand shed some lighti saw in the lead up after the election and on january itself, that donald trump did not care what was happening at the capital -- the capitol and sat back and did nothing. i think■n something we all spena lot of time thinking about and none of us have here answer to, but some perspective on, isfelod republicans and we all probably agreed with about 7% of donald trump's policies. i think we were open eyed tois e decision that he is commander of you need people there of good condors that take the oath they swear to the consecration -- constitution seriously. what we wonder is why other people have not come forward that saw what we saw and heard what we heard and why that was not enough of a motivating factor? my working theory lookin

i but over the weekend, he also on truth, social, said that liz cheney, who was of course the head of the select committee on january 6, should go to jail. he wrote, quote, she should go to jail along with the rest of the unselects committee he was re-sharing something from jon sarlin and right-wing writer who was writing about the secret service agent that supposedly contradicts cassetty hutchinson's testimony here. lulu, she should go to jail. it's like hillary clinton should go to jail. liz cheney should go to jail raises quite the specter in the event that he is actually reelected >> i mean, it's it's part and parcel of the same kind of language that we see from him in that it sets the stage for this idea that anyone who opposes you should have repercussions whether they'd be legal, whether they be violent, whether they be ideological, that there should be something that happens to people who oppose donald trump. and i think that liz cheney going to jail. >> it >> again, feeds this need that a lot of his supporters have for there to be punishment and especially women become a big

liz cheney behaved more according to what she sees as her principles. i don't see her and nikki haley getting together in a stop trump movement. >> again, i kind of threw it out there as a what if, and i have my concerns about nikki haley as well, andrea. and that's because nikki haley didn't decisively do anything this morning except get out of the race. and i can't help but think when she said, like, you're going to have to earn my votes or my -- the trust of my voters, donald trump, she wasn't quite saying, like, and you better have something for me at the end if you want me to deliver them. and i'm not saying vp choice, but if she was really believed in the words she has spoken the last six weeks, she would have said i am not endorsing donald trump. she could have made a not endorsement and stood on it. she doesn't have to endorse joe biden, but right now i just can't help but think she is moving -- she's motivated by some maneuvering that she can do toward maybe the convention and have a good primetime spot. >> i'm wondering, one of the things of t

i think we should hear that from nikki haley and liz cheney. i'm not sure we will from haley.ent simply of what these primaries showed us about trump's strengths and, more importantly, his weaknesses. >> yeah, jonathan, i think donald trump is in a lot of trouble. i mean, we look at the polls. you see he's up a few points over joe biden. we looked at the electoral map. the truth is, this coalition of soft republicans and independents who have chosen democrats over republicans, they were there in '18, '20, '22. they're still there in '24. in '24, we actually have the motivating issues, like dobbs and reproductive freedom that we didn't have in '16 and '20. i think donald trump is in trouble. ignore the polls for a minute. i would much rather be in joe biden's position today than donald trump's. >> joe biden has a big position tonight. the state of the union address, national audience, probably his biggest of the year. the only other coming close may be a convention speech or if he and trump have a debate or two. what does he need to do in terms of policy and proving vitality wh

i agree with liz cheney. that is the first time and last time i have ever said that. but think about all the republicans afraid to go against trump. think about mitch mcconnell. right? powerful, wealthy, has security. refused to go against trump. all of these people who are just like it's not worth it. i'll just endorse. who cares? it's not worth the threats. and here is liz cheney doing a brave thing and there are not many republicans doing it. so good for her. i mean i hope there will be more. my fantasy is nikki haley will come out. i don't think that is likely. but you know, you will need a critical mass. then the generals who have a lot of criticisms. and i hope they will come out publicly and speak out. >> the more republicans that come out, nikki haley, the more the republican version of trump world pushes them further out. and says they are traitors. it is not like they can get a footing and expand that footing. it is they shrink within the republican party and they become less as we have seen with others leaving the republican party in congress. >> you will n

i had her example to talk to liz cheney, adam kinzinger. but i also think about other nancy pelosi, who i worked with her and her staff, my tenure in the white house. and i you know, i think about her, the moral leadership that she has set for for generations of women and little girls. and if i can amount a fraction of who those are, alyssa farah griffin, sarah matthews, ruby moss, shay freeman, that all testified before the january six committee. you know, i it men have successfully let our country to the point that we're at now but i believe that our future is female and i think that we to build generations of strong girls. and i want to reflect on something really serious. you've alluded to it throughout all of your your comments, but that the process you as you have reflected back you wrote that you reflected and you have regretted the and the cruelty the crudity of some of the president's messaging. it's inappropriateness. his unpresidential tweets, communication. and but they you became a nerd, too it and you speak to the power of tri

calling for the prosecution of his political enemies,en colludingincluding former congresswoman liz cheney, who led the january 6th committee. he says cheney should, quote, go to jail. >> please rise for the horribly and unfairly treated january 6th hostages. ♪ o say can you see ♪ >> reporter: and at trump rallies, he stands to salute the national anthem, sung by inmates in prison for what they did on january 6th. trump calls those people patriots, suggesting he'll pardon them on his first day in office. over the past couple of years, many republican leaders have sought to minimize or even forget about what happened on january 6th, but not donald trump. as he embraces those who attacked the capitol, he is increasingly putting january 6th at the center of his 2024

i had her example to talk to liz cheney, adam kinzinger.tenure in the whitei you know, i think abt her, the moral leadership that she has women and little girls. and if i can those are, alyssa h griffin, saraheman, that all testified before the january six committee. you know,r[ i it men have successfully let our country to t're at now but i believe that our future is female and i think that we to build generations of strong girls. and i want to reflect on something reallyout all of your your comments, but ■. t process you as you have reected back you wrote that you reflected and you have regretted the and the cruelty the crudity of some of the president's messaging. it's inappropriateness. his unpresidential tweets, communication.too it and you spe por tribalism in our politics and how it didn't just affect you andheite house it's e country. maybe it's not a cult, but it's a movement with cult like features and it is eroding our our democracy and the that have buildcan we move now we're movd as a as a repeat. we've essentially they've repe

attacked the capitol as, quote, unbelievable patriots, he posted multiple statements, calling for liz cheney other members of the january 6th committee to be prosecuted and sent to jail. in other words, david, trump wants to pardon those who attacked the capitol, and he wants to prosecute those who investigated his actions on

i appreciate the liz cheney adhering to the principles first model.she said i i want good repub that republicans. frank with this house republican conference is dangerous. they are in a blink of donald trump and there's a handful of good ones that i want ryan fitzpatrick who sounds like will do a discharge position to get aid to ukraine. [applause] but if you're someone who is continually lying to the public you are withholding critical aid from allies, refusing to secure our southern border to deny i went to the biden administration yet the hell out. out. that's not what wege need. [applause] >> amen. >> something i want to add just piggybacking off this idea of republicans and these people in the house kind of being a threat in terms of them being willing to do whatever it is for donald trump. it's so funny because looking at the current speaker of the house, mike johnson and he really isn't much of the speaker at all easy? because he really, i mean he makes kevin mccarthy look like nancy pelosi. [laughing] >> i'm sure kevin will love that one spiri

they have moved into the liz cheney or nikki haley camp? >> i get some of that sense. it is often unspoken. it is not like they run up and declare their independence from maga or the extreme right. but it is often unspoken. i had a unique experience. i won't say what county so not to get them in trouble. but two republican county commissioners came to an event for us and the event was billed as a campaign event. and they showed up. after the event was over, we are doing videos and they were going to scan the video with he and i said are you sure you guys want to be in this video in and they said maybe we shouldn't but they showed up because they know i delivered for their county and they know president biden hasty livered. >> do you have a prediction for the biden campaign in pennsylvania on election day? >> yes. he is going to win and i'm going the win. but it will be a long tough road. but we will get there. i have the opposite problem. it is the other guy who has the money advantage. so we have to keep working him. >> senator, thank you very much for starting off ou

. >> is important to note liz cheney actually attended the interview if super -- secret service sayingsteering wheel by the way there are physical barriers to make that impossible as there was steel and glass a barriers not like the president to break through that so think about this. liz cheney, the january 6 committee gave more credence to a third person hearsay account of cassidy hutchinson with a new repeatedly changed her testimony submitting a report which changed a lot of for original claims to committee and discounted the actual driver who would know what happened in that car that is something that happens time and time again with the junior a sixth investigation another important thing tony aaron otto another 1 of those witnesses we didn't see the full transcript of use a deputy white house chief of staff who testified you are darn to write donald trump authorized the national guard i was in the meeting he first told it to the defense secretary and to the chairman of the joint chief of staff next day i spent in the meeting with the district of columbia we told them they could

is there room in the biden campaign tent for liz cheney? any specific outreach efforts regarding her. the point is, everybody who understands the fundamental stakes of this election, everybody who understands the threat that donald trump poses to american democracy, you absolutely have a place in this fight on joe biden's campaign. we are all committed to making sure that we protect american democracy, that we protect our freedoms and that we continue to build on the progress we have seen over the course of the last three years under this administration. there's room for democrats, for interests, moderate republicans, everybody who is rejecting the maga extremism that confronts us in donald trump. this is the fundamental choice as we head into a general election. we are welcoming everybody who understands the stakes. >> the polling shows that age and fitness continue to be something that voters are raising. "the new york times" poll showed more biden supporters -- 47% said joe biden is too old to be effective. that was only 21% among trump

this is liz cheney. who probably voted with trump 90% of the time when she was in congress. ronna facilitated trump's fake elector plot and his effort to pressure michigan officials not to certify the legitimate election outcome. she spread his lies and called january 6th legitimate political discourse. that's not one taking one for the team, as you heard her say, it's enabling criminality and depravity. the idea, charlie, please respond to the idea about lying about the election and claiming detroit voters didn't have the right to vote absentee, and therefore they are fraud, how is that taking one for the team? what team? >> yeah, well, obviously it's not team america. look, what is absolutely incomprehensible about ronna mcdaniel being hired is this is not about right versus left. it's not about democrat versus republican. it's not even whether or not she is a political hack. the problem with ronna mcdaniel is that she is a co-conspirator and an enabler who lied about this election and as you demonstra

liz cheney's concerns that trump will scorch the constitution if he is reelected.rvive that policy, we really can, we have survived back home policy. we have survived it for 8 years. we just -- we have a system that rounds off the sharpest edges, even though there are extremists who love to say that america is terrible and it is this and it is that. we are not, we are a great country, greatest economy in the world, greatest military in the world, greatest soft power in the world, greatest cultural exports of the world, greatest higher education institutions in the world, greatest medical facilities in the world. when people come to america, they come to america-- there was a speech a couple of nights ago, by a cofounder of home depot, who said why do you think there are so many immigrants, complaining of the southern border. i said, why are the people at the southern border, they are not russia's eastern border, they are not trying to get into china, they are coming to america, trying to get here. why? because we are better than any other country, the american drea

>> i think former congresswoman liz cheney is expressing the frustration a lot of americans feel. they want to see someone who has done a number of potentially illegal things not get away with it. democrats in particular what turned to face accountability. since he came down best later in 2015 announcing his presidential run. i think what is interesting is seeing how trumps legal team has pushed and delayed every trail in every way they can. in less than three weeks trump will face a jersey -- jury in a criminal trial. something he tried to escape at all costs and avoid at all costs. i think it will be a turning moment for folks to see these cases. that is when trouble have to answer for himself for the first time instead of continuing to get delays. >> do agree with that howard? especially when lexi says most americans do not like seeing someone, anyone get away with the things he has been getting away with? >> i think that is right. trump is cooking his own goose. put trumpet his own word. he is a disgrace and an embarrassment to a majority of american that is what you had to fo

i like to put on screen what liz cheney - not be hired.e to put on| screen what liz cheney said, not be hired. i like to put on - screen what liz cheney said, who of course sat on the january 6th committee. she said... and i guess the point is that right now, donald trump is spreading the same falsehoods. in fact, he's laying the groundwork for a return to the same playbook that we had in 2020. and if you hire someone like ronna mcdaniel, the anchors at nbc are saying, "you are legitimising that argument." do you see the point they are making in that? i see that argument.�* do you see the point they are making in that?— they are making in that? i see both perspectives _ they are making in that? i see both perspectives from _ they are making in that? i see both perspectives from it. _ they are making in that? i see both perspectives from it. absolutely, . perspectives from it. absolutely, the point — perspectives from it. absolutely, the point being that also you are giving _ the point being that also you are giving him — the point being th

his post last night drew a sharp response from former republican, liz cheney, who sat on the jan sixthhat he did, attack the brave men & women who came forward with the truth, and defend the criminals who violently assaulted the capitol, you need to rethink whose side you're on. hint: it's not america's" it's phenomenal to me that when he starts these campaign rallies facing the star—spangled banner know, the voices on that tape are of people who were imprisoned. every step, he refers to them as hostages, and it's another reminder that he is questioning the institutions in america and is doing it quite openly now. i america and is doing it quite openly now. ., ., .,, ,, america and is doing it quite openly now. ., ., ,, ., now. i do want to stress how mindful i am of now. i do want to stress how mindful i am of how — now. i do want to stress how mindful i am of how annoying _ now. i do want to stress how mindful i am of how annoying some - now. i do want to stress how mindful. i am of how annoying some americans can find _ i am of how annoying some americans can find it _ i am of how a

how quickly it these things, what's your reaction to what liz cheney cheney said >> look, the january 6 committee revealed a lot but they did not have the power of a grand jury. and what you're going to hear from liz cheney over and over is that the voters have to hear what those people who have gone before the grand jury, have to say, these are the people closest to donald trump mark meadows, white house counsel, people who were with him in the weeks leading up to january 6, and heard what he had to say and solve it. he did on january 6th. >> the fact is what these delay tactics, they may not it's possible. i don't. thanks so much to all of you. as always coming up next, the cost of higher education hitting, if you can believe it $90,000 a year at some universities where does all that money go? is it worth it? a former university president will join me next >> hello, ghostbusters. it's duck. we help people customize and save hundreds on car insurance with liberty mutual sure. i can. >> maybe >> i met with the turbotax expert because i had two full-time jobs lawyering and miami count

liz cheney, she is a rare exception right now in the republican party.big question is will her efforts and efforts of the few like her be enough to overcome the many enablers? that is where we start this hour with professor of history at nyu and author, and with me at the table, professor of philosophy at yale university and author of six books including how fascism works and host of the podcast and special correspondent for "vanity fair." where would donald trump be if not for his followers and enablers? >> he'd be nowhere. in fact, there are different types of enablers and we have to get to all of them. there are the foot soldiers, the violent thugs who intimidate people on the street. there are the elite enablers and here we have the gop and then there are a kind of what are called the desk killers. the bureaucrats who sign the papers and work in the civil service, which is why project 2025 is focusing on them. all of these types of people have already created a coup attempt which was january 6th which broke so many taboos if you look at it with a big

defender of the rule of law, republican liz cheney, tweeting this. cover up what he did, to attack the brave men and women who came forward with the truth, and defend the criminals who violently assaulted the capital, then you need to re-think whose side you're on. hint, it is not america's. it's where we start the hour with some of our favorite experts and friends. former january 6th select committee member, democratic congresswoman joe loftgren is with us. she's also a member of the house judiciary kpep also joining us, charlie sykes, andrew weismann is back with us. congressman, liz cheney seems to be saying, it is un-american to do what trump did last night on truth social. do you agree? >> i sure do. for a candidate for president to say the nirngs he's going to do is to open the prison doors and let a bunch of criminals out, that's pretty shocking. and you know, these are individuals who have been convicted. nearly 800 people have pled guilty. and how many have been exonerated? just three so far? . so the officers they hurt, like sergeantganel,

>> this is game on for liz cheney. now, the trump is really the presumptive nominee. he'll probably clinch the delegates next week. she has announced today, again, really what she has said she will do, and that is xi has vowed to do whatever it takes to keep him from being reelected. i expect this means she will be calling out trump. very actively. i think she may be traveling to battleground states. and i also would not be surprised to see cheney campaigning for derek there are cracks, especially for the house and senate because she thinks it is critical for democrats to control the congress. we are in an upside down world. >> she endorsed biden. >> i, she has not said whether or not she will endorse him yet, but she has said very specifically, she will do what? but ever it takes to keep trump from wedding is historic, exciting time to talk to those haley voters that his job, those cochlea undecided voters who may be the lean democrat or, you know, middle of the road. liz cheney can be quite exactly right. make the same arguments that nikki haley has made. yeah. ever

you mentioned liz cheney, adam kinzinger. ce r there's still plenty that are in office right now that are not unified with theblican m republican message that are not unified with they ar america fio agenda. they're not unified behind donald trump as our candidatifie e. t have so they have what we don'ty have. they all fall in line. they allal i the line because they also want something that i'm not convinced wantey wn and that's that they want to win. they want victorn theyy. ot and i'm not as worried about the third party candidates either forla joe biden's sake or donald trump. >> i'm far more worried about them replacingcing joe bi. >> leapfrog over kamala. i say that's bs. democrats can do whatever they want if they replace kamala oreu with gavin newsom, you're going to get social media outrage fromltaneous them. >> shat's it. let me play along with you. okay. in they bring in newsom. tha >> he's the head of sanctuary state free health care for illegal immigrants. and , that has come up time and time again throughout the

[applause] amount to defeat pelosi puppet liz cheney.] proud to serve a top leadership conference chair to endorse president trump forgr reelection. time and time again i've stood in the breach of a president trump, for the constitnd importantly for you we the people. some of the toughest fights of our republic. the american people know that i . just ask the president of harvard and penn.heering] sorry, i should say the former presidentspresidents of harvard and penn. the juicy the congressional hearing on anti-semitism? i have been in a lot of high-profile hearings over my years in congress but this was truly the most morally bankrupt testimony that i have ever witnessed. and i asked each of the university presidents a simpleestion and it was not a political question. it was a moral one that question was this, calling for the genocide of jews violate your university's code of conduct on bullying and harassment? shockingly one after another after another shock the world and answered quote it depends on the content. world heard. let me be

trump offered the national guard, and in the days leading up to january sixth, why didn't liz cheney the january 6th committee, with a predetermined outcome, why didn't they let us know that or exculpatory testimony that donald trump never tried to commandeer the presidential motorcade? we learned that from the driver of the presidential motorcade that they knew about, that they interviewed, that they didn't tell us about the left flat out lied. they spread fear, hysteria, all things hate trump, hate trump 24 over seven. and of course, democrats will call republicans racist, sexist, xenophobic, homophobic, islamophobic, transphobic that want dirty air and water. in other words, democrats are using fear and division to mask what has been a terrible four years under biden. i repeat, they cannot run on. are you better off than you are? four years ago, this is all they have left. they don't really care about democracy or freedom or your rights as an american. no, they prefer one party rule where republicans are completely powerless, and then if they want to punish them and use the justic

is unfit for any office. >> part of the closing argument and a warning from former congresswoman liz cheneyhing a new pac called the great test. she explained on social media, quote, the gop has chosen. they will nominate a man who attempted to overturn an election and seize power. we have eight months to save our republic and ensure donald trump is never anywhere near the oval office again. our next guest points to the events of january 6th, the work by that house select committee and the writings of liz cheney as reasons for abandoning donald trump. jim young writes in a new piece, trump has somehow convinced millions of americans that he is a victim of political persecution by his opponent. the committee findings in the doj indictment, i do not understand how donald trump can possibly be considered as a legitimate candidate for the most important job in the world. frankly, i don't understand how he's not in jail right now. i will go no further than to implore you before you cast a vote for donald trump, please take the time to read liz cheney's book, or the committee findings or the doj

that's on the worst things we can conclude out of this sham hollywood production hearing of liz cheneythe fact they never dealt with the question of how do we prevent something like this from happening again. they never came up with solutions professor. >> i remember when all of us were doing coverage on that day 1 of my first responses before the riot began is i had never seen the capital so thinly protected for a major event it was that obvious showing pictures of bicycle fences. it was glaring because the previous summer you had a violet riot which caused the president to be removed to a safe room a very large number of officers injured, there was arson and property damage and they called out the national guard and put out fencing. this was an obvious move being suggested by the white house they had literally just gone through this and the reporting later said nancy pelosi felt the optics wouldn't be good. that's part of what we want to get answers to as the house works for what was not disclose during these proceedings. >> sean: you remember ray donovan and the reagan years after a

they need to follow the liz cheney model.d to follow the liz cheney model. i never imagined me saying that. >> it's a good model. >> the liz cheney model. yeah, they need to follow the liz cheney model. that doesn't just simply involve voting for joe biden. it can involve as alexi said split ticket. it can involve leaving the presidential ballot blank. because the turnout is actually key to this election. can biden get his base out? will trump get more of his supporters out? and if these folks somehow help suppress the vote we can keep him out of the white house. but first they need to do more than just simply say keep him out of the white house. they need to act appropriate -- act accordingly to that view it seems to me. >> alexi, can they do that? can the biden campaign rev themselves up to do exactly what eddie just said? i think it's a critical part of this. where in the history of campaigns, i mean go all the way back to the beginning, the first presidential 1800, right? when have you seen cabinet officials and other off

we don't know what the impact of liz cheney.omebody on, in oklahoma who is only surrounded by trump-loving republicans. he wrote an op-ed, and he read liz cheney's book and he's now a man without a country. >> i like this campaign, i can think i like this person, let me go out and actually do the work for the person. that's a difficult process that actually costs money for every voter that has to engage in that process. so, yeah, that's a huge unknown. but one of the things i think came out of an earlier comment is really critical. if donald trump is running for president of the united states, who is going to stand with him and campaign with him? operationally, that's quite important. that shows other voters that you have a team and people willing to cosign all that you're doing. i wonder with everything you said in the tease, and for all of what we're going to see about election interference, there have been swatting calls and issues of intimidation last year. that's going to have an impact. you know, who is going to stand with

. >> liz cheney with a warning there about a trump second term, and why our history professor joins us now. i walked through mump of the accountability happening as well as the warnings from steve bannon. your thoughts. >> yeah. so it's really important that we're -- there's this pushing back and showing others that their behavior can be held accountable, for example, through things that will hit them like disbarment because, you know, autocracy is about legalized lawlessness. and that's why you need people who have no ethics and no morals and often are criminals to serve in your government. and these are people who are actively pardoned sometimes. that's why they use pardons to free up those people for service. so what we've been seeing, though, with trump's, you know, white collar accomplices is a kind of moral and ethical collapse, a total collapse. and it starts when you have somebody like trump. this is why liz cheney is saying he's an existential threat because trump is somebody who has no morals and is highly transactional. and he encourages people and rewards people for being t

. >> liz cheney with a warning about a trump second term and a history professor joins us.ked through both much of the accountability as well as warnings from steve bannon. your thoughts? >> it's really important that there is this pushing back and showing others that their behavior can be held accountable. for example things that will hit them like disbarment. autocracy is about legalized lawlessness. that's why you need people who have no ethics and no morals and often are criminals to serve in your government. and these are people who are actively pardoned sometimes. that's why they use pardons to free up those people for service. what we've been seeing though with trump's white collar accomplice is a kind of moral and ethical collapse, a total collapse. it starts when you have somebody like trump. this is why liz cheney is saying he is a threat because trump is somebody who has no morals and is highly transactional. he encourages and rewards people. showing contempt of democratic norms of accountability, conflict of interest. then they can start to feel as though they a

he is threatening it with liz cheney, adam kessinger, the blue served on the january 6th committee. he's threatening other potential witnesses in other cases and federal indictments that have come down. potential jurors, judges -- there are a large swath of americans that may need security going into this next year because he has committed to unleashing political violence on these people. that is not what a leader does, and they are expecting them to be the republican nominee again. he's there to support the people of america, not to silence them. a leader empowers people, not leaving through fear. >> sarah matthews, a friend of yours, has been on the show, and she said something that is released with me. i want to play that for you and talk to you a little bit about that, too. >> we look around and it's mainly the women, and especially young women were speaking out, so i would just encourage maybe the men who are twice my age withheld white higher positions of power than me who also know that donald trump is unfit to serve to speak up, and i know that we've got some time before ele