presidential medal for liz cheney. jim. this week, joe biden will award the presidential citizens medal to 20 people, including liz cheney, for her exemplary service to the country. basically rewarding her for not liking trump, i think. has this award lost all value? >> yeah, well, in biden's defense, he probably thought he was giving it to lou cheney junior or lon chaney jr. i mean, it's not really like a medal, like the medal of honor. it's just like some crummy thing. it's like going to burger king, get one of those crown paper crown things you put on your head. it's nice, but it don't mean crap. but liz cheney, come on, you know, he's doing it to annoy trump. that's what he's doing. yeah. you know trump doesn't like her. so he's doing that. that's like high school stuff. he's an 82 year old man that's like him dating trump's ex-girlfriend and putting it on facebook. look, i'm with her now. yeah, the only way liz cheney should get, you know, an award is maybe if she went hunting with her father and didn't get killed. >>

anthony fauci, general millie, liz cheney. >> and police officers who had spoken out as well from the capitol police. let's go right to peter alexander. this just broke tone minutes ago, peter. what do you know? >> president biden even yesterday was seriously considering using this extraordinary presidential power to preemptively pardon some individuals. he has decided to do that to guard against any potential revenge by the incoming president trump. president biden just announcing, as you know, that he is pardoning dr. anthony fauci, retired general mark millie and members of the house committee including liz cheney, adam schiff, adam kinsinger. he writes, they are the life blood of our democracy. yet alarmingly, he adds, public servants have been subjected to i don't know going threats for faithfully discharging their duties. notably, his last comments in this statement adds these pardons should not be mistaken that acknowledgment that any individual engaged in any wrongdoing, nor should acceptance by them be considered an admission of guilt for any offense. he says our nation owes

liz: cheney out on the road. that was their closing message. like liz cheney handling our foreign policy. and polling showed that was actually a net negative with people on that campaign. maria: right. >> so liz cheney, as awful as her behavior has been in these last few years, she did give republicans this gift of taking her very unpopular, politically-toxic, neo-con interventionism and moving it from the republican party now firmly into the democrat party. so for that, republicans can be thankful. maria: unbelievable. and to also note, the highest civilian award going to hillary clinton and george sor process, democrats' biggest donor, mollie. >> again, george soros is getting this award for how he has helped democrats where with their political activity. but did the biden administration if at all a think about this? one of soros' biggest things that he's done in recent years was putting in these prosecutors who are very soft on crime, unwilling to go after people who commit if crimes even as they go after people who done commit crimes. and t

all right, bakari, so here's what trump had to say about liz cheney and the rest of the january 6th committee just last month. let's listen. >> i think those people committed a major crime. and cheney was behind it for what they did. yeah, honestly, they should go to jail. >> so no evidence of any criminal wrongdoing. i need to note, but what do you think now about president biden giving them an award? do you think that he's politicizing this not at all. >> i mean, he's not politicizing it, but i do believe that instead of getting an award, they probably, excuse me, probably need a pardon more than anything else. and the reason being is because we know that donald trump is vindictive. donald trump is someone who was twice impeached, and january 6th, regardless of the memory hole or the short kind of memory that republicans have. january 6th was one of the worst days in american history. period. point blank. it simply was. and not to have the smooth transition of power to watch someone who is an outgoing president. a egged this on to not put a stop to it. i know that people are going to say th

. >> do you think liz cheney should go to jail? from: from what? i think everybody that voted in favor -- >> are you going to direct the fbi to center to jail? >> not at all. i think they should look at that, but i'm going to focus on drill, baby, drill. >> when you tap these people to lead the justice department and fbi -- >> they could do whatever they want. biden could give then started if he wants to, and maybe you should. just remember, a year and a half of sworn testimony and after getting all of the testimony, they deleted it and they destroyed almost everything. there's nothing left. it is unprecedented. if you do that in a civil case you go to jail. >> you know they deny doing that and officials say that order never came in. let me ask you this event january. from: he wrote in a statement that he has destroyed evidence. >> let me ask you this about january 6. >> you have such potential. if you could be just nonbiased, you hurt yourself so badly. i'm telling you, they deleted and destroyed all the evidence, everyone knows i

liz cheney, dick cheney's daughter.'m going to give her a medal and an entire room full of democrats are going to be waiting to have her and applaud. >> it is the upside down. we've been in it for a little while now. i mean, arthur, though, if you're liz cheney, i mean, we all saw what she did. we know why trump is mad, but he has actually legitimately threatened to criminalize it. you've seen people under the threat of criminal all kinds of things, even if they're nothing comes out of it. the process that she would be put through, is it worth the pardon now to prevent that? >> well, it's funny because i was thinking, does she want it because because, you know, when you accept a pardon, that means you've done something wrong, right? >> or do you think it actually means that or. >> i mean, it's it's an indication, right? i mean, they're not they're not pardoning the congressman, right? you know, there's something that could be an indication that she did something wrong or that she's just protecting herself because you do

-- >> based on what you know. >> -- has asked me to investigate liz cheney.hat is a hypothetical. >> the president has called for it publicly. you are aware of it, aren't you? >> no one has asked me to investigate -- >> but the president is -- >> you're all so worried about liz cheney. you know what we should be worried about? >> miss bondi, please answer my questions. >> the crime rate in california. >> reporter: also expected to be confirmed, florida senator marco rubio, up for the post of secretary of state. today saying he disagreed with the biden administration's decision yesterday to remove cuba from the list of state sponsors of terrorism. >> do you believe cuba is a state sponsor of terrorism? >> without a question. we know cuba has been friendly toward hamas and hezbollah openly. >> reporter: and rubio forecasting the future trump administration's approach to ending the war in ukraine. >> it is iortant for everyone to be realistic. there will have to be concessions made by the russian federation but also by the ukrainians. and the united states will

among the recipients, representatives liz cheney and bennie thompson for their work as chair and viceh select committee, investigating the attack on the u.s. capitol the new york times reports, quote, the selection of ms. cheney, wyoming republican whose vocal opposition to donald j. trump cost her political career was a continuation of his push for bipartisanship and decency in politics at a time when ms. cheney's own party turned against her. mr. biden has said to have been considering a preemptive pardon to protect her from retribution of the next administration. we will bring you the president's remarks honoring her service and we start this hour with the latest developments out of new orleans, which just last hour saw the kickoff of the sugar bowl, the college football playoff game. it was postponed following the deadly terror attack on bourbon street. 13 were killed and dozens more were injured when a man ramped up pickup truck into a crowd of people celebrating the new year. today, an update on the attack. law enforcement says the man, shamsud-din jabbar, did act alone. that is

lawyer the woman's march code pink and liz cheney together. know what that will be if anything. charlie, as always, great to see you, thanks so much. all right, biden's farewell speech, do you have the popcorn? moments away. we're going to expose the real legacy with our all-star panel coming up. ♪ dexcom g7 sends your glucose numbers to your phone and watch, so you can always see where you're heading without fingersticks. dexcom g7 is the most accurate cgm, so you can manage your diabetes with confidence. ♪ total beets, america's best-selling beets brand, is available at walmart. total beets blood pressure support soft chews contain a key ingredient clinically shown to deliver two times better blood pressure support. take control of your health. head to walmart and get total beets blood pressure support soft chews today. >> 10 minutes joe biden will deliver his farewell address to the nation. a long farewell. this four year long nightmare is almost over. but not everyone feels the same. >> history's view of joe biden is going to be a little b

liz cheney for putting the american people over party and bennie thompson for his lifelong dedication to safeguarding our constitution. eugene daniels, white house correspondent for political and msnbc political contributor joins me now. not from the studio. eugene, what kind of statement do you think the president wanted to make with these awards today? the timing cannot be understated here. >> yet. one is exactly what was written that he is trying to show that the importance of what he said in the election about putting country over party, about democracy being at the center of things, that is still key. that is something he feels the country should focus on moving forward even though's party lost the election. it's also a nod to donald trump and a warning to him and his colleagues do not go after people like liz cheney and not go after people like bennie thompson with investigations, to investigate the investigators of january 6. it's something we've heard over and over again that joe biden is trying to make folks listen to that as well here. >> you know, the president, he was also

i care about these people. >> why would joe biden want to issue a preemptive pardon to liz cheney? did she break the law? >> what we are learning from this, as obviously, the biden administration thinks that these individuals that would we given will preemptive pardons broke the law, in some way. so they are going to cover them before they exit the white house. i think the other thing is we've all heard that biden is having a lot of trouble raising money for the biden library, so now he is trying to mollify the left wing of the democrat party we've all watched, this party is in complete, total disarray, and what we've all seen, is that they have learned absolutely flowing from the november election, and people in this country are tired two of tiers of justice and looking at these preemptive pardons and saying "well, i guess our instincts our suppositioningss were correct these people were breaking the law going after donald j. trump". >> biden library what about china did not china fund his institution. >> yes indeed we all know that if assumption has been that joe biden was compro

i don't think liz cheney's any less conservative than she ever was.ust decided that the rule of law is the rule of law, and we all have to be subject to it. talk to me about what you saw in that today. >> you know, look. i think that liz cheney would tell you herself that she would have rather defeated donald trump and had that been her reward, then received this medal. but i think it still shows that the sitting president still desires, you know, to reach out to people of both parties, to recognize people. even who he disagrees with politically for their courage. i think the other thing liz cheney would tell you if she was here, i think i can speak for her on this, is that is the people that really deserve recognition for their bravery that day on january 6th are the officers. circling back to what we said. the law enforcement that did their work on bourbon street and the law enforcement that did their work to protect our capitol and defend themselves against the rioters that donald trump incited on january 6, 2021. >> tim, good to see you as always.

tell me if liz cheney should be worried. >> are you aware of factual b base?senator, it's hypothetical and i'm not going to answer t that. >> liz cheney -- do you know what we should be worried about? in california right now -- >> what i can tell you is i will never play politics, your in trying to engage me in a gotcha. with any ongoing investigation like you did devin nunes live -- this body nor you like congress. >> there are so many relevant issues that they seem obsessed with liz cheney, are you investigating? >> we are going to do a look back four to six human sources we learned at the capital in 2021, 17 import in the white house and to work past to be there by the fbi. we think we need to know more about that. what was interesting is it's almost like adam schiff when you're a kid did something wrong and you say, that, i got a friend in adam schiff wanted to ask himself but president trump is not going to retaliate. pam bondi and kash patel, they will not retaliate, they will get the facts and make sure american people understand what took place under m

i mean, liz cheney is a disaster. >> reporter: just last month trump told me "meet the press" the january committee members should be behind bars. >> for what they did, honestly, they should go to jail. >> reporter: milley's portrait hung last week in a pentagon ceremony was removed hours after trump took office. today biden defending public servants he said have been subjected to ongoing threats and intimidation for faithfully discharging their duties. trump tonight also criticizing biden for preemptively pardoning his brother james biden and other relatives with minutes left in his term. >> i think it was unfortunate that he did that. >> reporter: candidate trump vowed he would appoint a special prosecutor to investigate the bidens. >> to go after the most corrupt president in the history of the united states of america, joe biden. and the entire biden crime family. >> reporter: biden tonight dismissing the unrelenting attacks against his family as baseless, arguing they are motivated solely by a desire to hurt me. peter alexander, nbc news, the white house. >> and i'm joined now by kri

liz cheney. thank you. and and. you know, as liz mentioned, i grew in a working class neighborhood in central brooklyn came of age in the eighties into the early nineties, very challenging moment. you know, for many communities, new york city and across the country. it was sort of at the height of the crack epidemic, but had the opportunity really grow up in a loving household with mom and dad both of them were public servants. the sense of being public employees. my father was a substance use social worker who worked with clients initially during the explosion of the 1970s and then into the crack cocaine era of, the eighties and nineties and mother was a case worker who, worked for the department of human resources for the city of new york, and did that her life. it's interesting because politics was never really discussed at the dining room table, but my dad would always have the news on you know in the morning when we had breakfast that in the evening after he came home, it was it was the radio often tension wins

. >> the president also wants to jail liz cheney sitting here today.asis to investigate liz cheney, yes or no? >> senator, that's a hypothetical, and i'm not going to answer that. >> no, it's not a hypothetical. >> i'm asking you sitting here today whether you are aware of a factual predicate to investigate liz cheney. >> senator, no one has asked you to investigate liz cheney, that is, the president has called for it publicly. >> you are aware of that, aren't you? >> no one has asked me to investigate. but the president is also worried about liz cheney. >> the president has called for this. >> be worried about miss bondi. please answer my questions right now. you are aware the roof. >> so that obviously wasn't the response congressman schiff was looking for. but do you think it was appropriate? i mean, it does seem, dave, to be honest, that the stock answer for many of trump's nominees is that's a hypothetical. but if you want to know how someone would act, if you're going to support them, isn't every question, to at least some extent hypothetical? >>

liz cheney. there are so many medals this week. valor, honor, um, that yeah, that and making, you know, making a point in his remarks that 2020 was a fair and free election also honoring bennie thompson. both of them got a standing ovation in the room. um, and, you know, and kamala harris on monday that she really believes this is an important part of sort of restoring historic norms and and getting people back to a place where they see these elements of a peaceful transfer of power. and it's really like sort of one of the last acts that the biden administration is able to do is to to kind of, uh, restore things to the way they were before donald trump. >> i think one of the polls that harry was talking about was actually really revelatory. look at how january 6th is the biggest memory of trump's first term. 5% of voters overall view that as the biggest memory of trump's first term, 2% of republicans. but the 5% i mean, look, democrats made democracy and all the rest central to their campaigns. i

. >> why are we helping liz cheney? i mean, liz cheney is a disaster.m kinzinger, he's a super crying. i never saw the guy not crying. he's always crying. >> that overflow room included youtuber turned boxer jake paul, podcaster theo vaughn and ufc champion conor mcgregor. >> so i decided i'm not going to make this speech complicated. i'm going to make it beautiful. i'm going to make it a unifying speech. and then when they said, we have a group of people that are serious trump fans, i said, this is the time to tell those stories. >> as biden departed joint base andrews, he had one final message. >> we've always done our best as americans. we never, never, never give up. never. leaving office, but we're not leaving the fight. >> one of his final acts, preemptive pardons for officials who may face reprisals from the trump administration, including doctor anthony fauci. retired general mark milley, liz cheney and some of his own family members. there was no traditional parade, but in the evening, the president rallied thousands of supporters at the capita

you aware of a factual predicate to investigate liz cheney. >> no one has asked me to investigate lizney. >> but the president has publicly called for it. you are aware of it, aren't you? >> we should be worried about -- >> answer my questions. >> reporter: also expected to be confirmed, flflorida senator marco rubio, up for secretary of state. saying he disagreed with the biden administration decision to remove cuba from the list of state sponsors of terrorism. >> do you believe it's a sponsor of terrorism? >> without question, . cuba has been friendly with hamas and hezbollah. >> reporter: and the approach to ending the war in ukraine. >> it's important to be realistic. there have to be concessions made by the russian federation, also by ukrainians. the united states will lend itself there. >> did the hearings impact chances for the nominees to be confirmed? >> reporter: if every democrat votes no, they can still afford to lose three republican votes and win confirmation. right now none appear to be in danger. gop leaders are hoping to move forward after the inauguration monday, the

liz cheney?t up, and i don't know what happened with that committee in the house we do know adam schiff was censored we know subpoenaed records from a call wth reporting we know what he did to devin nunes but they continue to talk about january 6th committee, you continue to hear about preemptive pardons for people a part of that process, so it really makes you wonder did they operate owed the law before asking that question because mighty worried about it now do not want to focus on the issues of the border of crime, of safety and security. they are all about past and covering their steps. >> president trump ad mavrnt about having hostages in gaza returned before he returns to white house israel delaying cabinet vote to approve cease-fire with hamas prime benjamin netanyahu accusing terrorist group backtracking on parts of the agreement of president trump trying to take credit for everything on this detail, he did so in farewell speechp president-elect trump posted on truth social, this epic cea

they are talking about liz cheney, who couldn't win her own district.e talking about the 2020 election and the weaponization of the fbi after they spent last nine years using government influence to try to put donald trump in prison. i'm watching this going, have these people learned anything? the answer is no, pam bondi will sail through and frankly the democrats on the committee just embarrassed themselves and showed absolutely zero ability to reflect on their own failure. >> ainsley: when adam schiff was asking about liz cheney, she said you should be worried about the crime rate in california. and mazie hirono said i tried to meet with you and you wouldn't take my meeting, what stood out for you, laura? >> laura: again, adam schiff, of course now senator of a state that is losing population, suffering from incompetent leadership, that is crime ridden, overrun with illegal aliens, can't imagine to prepare when they know severe winds are going to present massive danger to entire communities, no preparation in place and adam schiff spends his time focu

, this is not saying anyone was involved in wrongdoing. >> why are we helping liz cheney?isaster. >> reporter: trump told "meet the press" that the january 6th committee members should be behind bars. >> for what they did, honestly, they should go to jail. >> reporter: this portrait was removed. defending public servants he said were subjected to intimidation for their duties. and trump criticized biden pardoning other relatives with minutes left in his term. >> it's unfortunate. >> reporter: candidate trump wanted a special prosecutor to investigate the bidens. >> to go after the most corrupt president in the history of the united states of america, joe biden, and the entire biden crime family. >> reporter: biden dismissing the attacks as baseless, motivated solely by a desire to hurt me. >>> kristen welker, president trump is claiming a mandate, he has a narrow lead. how long is the honeymoon? >> only got two years for his agenda items, then the world would be focused on the midterms. mass deportation will require additional funds, $88 billion per year just to deport 1 m

this week, president biden honored bennie thompson and liz cheney with the citizens president medal forheir work on the january 6th committee. and joining us with their work on the committee is former congressman denver riggleman and also former police officer harry dunn. >> thank you both for being with us, and congressman, i guess, what is happening in the world? there is a sense that people, we can -- i don't want people to get desensitized by everything that is happening here. michael is absolutely correct that donald trump is going to be sentenced, and now, nothing is going to happen to him, and let's be clear and judge marshan is clear that he is going to be convicted by a jury and he is not going to be doing any jail time or any fines, but he was convicted, and then a week later, a little over a week later, he is going to go on the assume to office of the presidency. put a finer point on it for us. >> well, it is somebody who used the word gobsmacked which is the best word when thinking about a felon to be serving as the president of the united states, and good to see you, harry,

liz cheney, the january 6th committee.nch of failures and frauds who lied to this country. the ukraine policy. it's in total shambles. biden has given us nothing but war. everywhere we look he has given us danger on our streets. he has given us open borders. so, of course, the american people voted to overturn all this stuff. of course the american people hate all this. that's why trump got elected and start overturning all of this in over a week as you say. that's why congress needs to get active right now. let's start doing it. republicans have control of congress. the congress is in session both houses. let's get after it. it's time to give the american people some relief and get this country moving again. >> laura: senator, i know donald trump made the point today that ashley babbitt was the only person who was killed on januar. she was shot dead. and then he made the point that there were no guns in the capitol on january 6th during that riot. but then daniel dale, the fact-checker on cnn, decides to do this. watch. >

liz cheney and benny thompson. donald trump has specifically targeted liz cheney.aid hateful things about her. includeing the fact she should be jailed and that's the least of what he said about her. talk to me about this. they did something they believe was in the interest of the preservation of this republic. she decided the rule of law is the rule of law and we have to be subject to it. talk to me about what you saw in that today. >> yeah. look. i think that liz cheney would tell you herself she would have rather defeated donald trump and had that been her reward than received this medal. but i think it still shows the sitting president still desires to reach out to people both parties to recognize people. even people they recognize for their courage. and the other thing liz cheney would tell you, i think i can speak for her on this. the people that really deserve recognition for their bravery that day, january 6th, are the officers circling back to what we said. the law enforcement that did their work in bourbon street. and the law enforcement that did their wo

, but would not promise to not investigate liz cheney.hink that's perhaps where you get a little bit underneath the hood here, in terms of how these cabinet secretaries will act as it relates to donald trump and his wishes. >> yeah, i mean, he's been very clear about what he wants. he wouldn't even have to say it again, because he's already been pretty public about who he doesn't think has been sufficiently loyal and who he believes is one of his enemies. liz cheney being one of them. ryan nobles, thank you very much. joining us now, nyu law professor, former white house counsel in the obama administration and coauthor of executive functions on substack, a newsletter devoted to the analysis of presidential and broader executive power issues. bob bauer. bob, good to have you. let's talk about expectations here. i think there's a lot of people that don't know how much of what donald trump was saying on the campaign trail is talk, how much what steve bannon has been said about going after people as talk, or what kash patel has said about goi

the president also wants to jail liz cheney sitting here today.te liz cheney? yes or no? >> senator, that's a hypothetical, and i'm not going to answer. >> no, it's not a hypothetical. i'm asking you sitting here today whether you are aware of a factual predicate to investigate liz cheney. >> senator, no one has asked you to investigate liz cheney. >> that is, the president has called for it publicly. >> you are aware of that, aren't you? >> no one has asked me to investigate. >> but the president has. >> we're also worried about liz cheney. >> the president has called for this. >> worried about miss bondi. >> please answer my questions right now. you are aware the truth, miss bondi. >> you're robberies 87% higher than the national average. >> is this? >> that's what my question is based on. senator, do you have you can look at that and see a nominee who is trying very hard not to say certain words that might upset her boss, donald trump, or commit any sort of news. >> you're also witnessing someone who has been coached on the various tactics. avo

. >> do you think liz cheney should go to jail?m: from what? i think everybody that voted in favor -- >> are you going to direct the fbi to center to jail? >> not at all. i think they should look at that, but i'm going to focus on drill, baby, drill. >> when you tap these people to lead the justice department and fbi -- >> they could do whatever they want. biden could give then started if he wants to, and maybe you should. just remember, a year and a half of sworn testimony and after getting all of the testimony, they deleted it and they destroyed almost everything. there's nothing left. it is unprecedented. if you do that in a civil case you go to jail. >> you know they deny doing that and officials say that order never came in. let me ask you this event january. from: he wrote in a statement that he has destroyed evidence. >> let me ask you this about january 6. >> you have such potential. if you could be just nonbiased, you hurt yourself so badly. i'm telling you, they deleted and destroyed all the evidence, everyone knows it. a

liz cheney? we don't know and we will see. it is all ironic from someone who lectures us about institutions. jesse, there was a "washington post" article with more than two dozen sources that say president biden wanted to see donald trump prosecuted and he regretted putting merrick garland because that prosecution did not happen quick enough. so for someone who wants to talk about independent doj, being the gold standard of respecting institutions, to be complaining that your political opponent did not make it to prison is a very odd thing to do. so this was riddled with irony, inaccuracies. he was talking about his legacy and meanwhile there has been a smash-and-grab on the world stage, russia taking ukraine or trying to. israel, we see what happened with hamas, afghanistan. he wanted to be fdr and he is leaving, i would say, is one of the worst president in modern history. and i hate to say that on a night like tonight. but farewell, president biden. >> jesse: i would give harold the last word but we have to go sell some add

. >> senator, no one has asked me to investigate liz cheney.e president has called for it publicly. >> you are aware of that, aren't you? >> no one has asked me to investigate. >> the president has also worried president liz cheney. the president has called for him to be worried about miss bondi. >> please answer my questions right now. >> you are aware the truth. miss bondi. >> you're robberies 87% higher than the national average. is this that's what i my question is this, senator, do you have even if she's not telling the truth, why? >> if you're about to go lead the department of justice. and if you're again i take her at her word that she cares about crime in california and other places. why not affirm that she has that? there's no predicate to investigate jack smith or liz cheney? i mean that that feels like a really a distant leap that she's asking again, not democratic senators, but the doj workforce to take before she's even there. >> it really wasn't a hard question to answer. >> she could have simply said, no, i'm aware of no factual

liz cheney was my vice chair and we did what a lot of us say is the lord's work.rld looking for evidence to see what connections that might have been, and it came down to the fact that what happened on that january 6th was brought about because of then-president donald trump, and people lost their lives. over 140 law enforcement officers were hurt. you know, it was not a good day. not a good moment for the greatest country in the world. >> it was not congressman, and yet you have donald trump at mar-a-lago inviting and celebrating john eastman, michael flynn, jeffrey clark, rudy giuliani, and pete now lawyer yo just last night. what does it tell you as he celebrates these folks as he is about to take an oath to preserve and protect the united states? >> he's trying to rewrite history. the facts speak for themselves. i am convinced as we went about our work, we involved and invited anybody with information to come forward. the president could have -- the former president at that time could have come forward. we tried to get vice president pence and others to come,

liz cheney and bennie thompson. today, president biden awarded them along with 18 other americans the presidential citizens medal, one of the highest civilian honors. they both received enormous and extended standing ovations from water normally reserved crowds. the president afterwards gave brief remarks to the ceremony. >> grave perils are yet to be encountered. the stormy course of the republic. there is no reason, no reason, we should fear them. our capacity to overcome them. so as to deserve high praise of being called good american citizens. >> alexi is a political analyst and host of insync. jennifer warner is a former chair the new hampshire republican party and they join me now. it's interesting that bennie thompson had this to say. there have been parlor game talk about possibility preemptive pardons as well as reporting on that. thompson said he would take a biden pardon after trump has threatened to jail him. i wonder what you think about how real this is and what it would mean? >> yeah, i mean, it is ti

are you aware of factual basis to investigate liz cheney? yes or no?senator, that is a hypothetical and i want to answer that. >> i'm asking you sitting here today if you are aware of the predicate to liz cheney? >> i cannot investigate liz cheney. >> you are aware that the president has called for that publicly. >> but the president, the president has called for a -- >> you know what we should be worried about, california right now. >> donald trump, you less than 2020 election but can you tell us sitting here today -- >> senator, what i can tell you is i will never play politics. you are trying to engage me in a gotcha. it will not play politics with any ongoing investigation like you did with your colleague devin nunes. >> john: and that is the way it has been much of the day as the democrats go after pam bondi. let's go back lives to the hearing. >> where there is a regular process for the doj and the clemency process has looked at to see whether there are reforms that should be made in recommendations that could be made to the president throughout

liz cheney came up as well. but there was a particularly contentious moment between adam schiff, the new senator from california, obviously formerly a congressman who we all know well, asking her whether there would be an investigation into the special counsel into jack smith. let's listen. >> the president has said jack smith should go to jail. will you investigate jack smith? >> senator, i haven't seen the file. i haven't seen the investigation. i haven't looked at anything. it would be irresponsible of me to make a commitment regarding anything. >> so a summary by the president or his desire to investigate jack smith would not be enough for you to open an investigation of jack smith. is that right? >> i will look at the facts and evidence. in any case, what is the desire on capitol hill to see these sorts of investigations, perhaps to see an investigation into a former colleague like liz cheney? >> the appetite is quite high, to be honest with you. there's a lot of people in the house republican conference, b

. >> the president also wants to jail liz cheney sitting here today. are you aware of any factual basis to investigate liz cheney? yes or no? >> senator, that's a hypothetical, and i'm not going to answer that. >> no, it's not hypothetical. i'm asking you sitting here today whether you are aware of a factual predicate to investigate liz cheney. >> senator, no one has asked me to investigate liz cheney. >> that is, the president has called for it publicly. you are aware of that, aren't you? >> no one has asked me to investigate. >> so each of those nominees would not say that the us constitution and the rule of law are more important than loyalty to donald trump. donald trump has effectively used fear to squash any remaining dissent from within congress to block these terrible picks from being confirmed. when republican senator joni ernst voiced serious concerns about pete hegseth because of the allegations of sexual harassment and assault, excessive drunkenness, financial mismanagement, and views degrading women in combat, trump and his allies exerted

reconstituting the committee that investigated generally six, the committee that found, it says, liz cheneyiminal prosecutions, does it mean joe biden was right to give her a preemptive pardon? susan: it should reassure members of the committee that they have a preemptive button even though --preemptive pardon even though some of them said they didn't wanted and all of them said they did nothing wrong. this is not one of the popular things donald trump promise to do during the campaign. the immigration orders have majority support from public polling. the pardon of january 6 defendants, especially those convicted of a violent crimes, that does not hold majority support of american public opinion i'm surprised they chose to go down this route in a big way in his opening days. christian: it clearly did catch some of's allies by surprise. we heard from the vice president last week saying they would look at it on a case-by-case basis but they didn't expect to charged with violent offenses to be freed. let's listen to some of the senators on the hill. >> they were absolutely justified. i don't k

congressman liz cheney and bennie thompson. what's your reaction to that? >> my reaction is, i'm highly offended, but i'm not surprised. joe biden and his white house have lived in the bizarro land where no other americans really exist. that's why the presidency under joe biden has been an abject disaster. this is just one of the last pieces of icing on that cake. look, everybody knows that the fake january 6th committee, the only purpose was to basically put a lot of propaganda out into the information stream to go after and attack donald trump. it failed, completely backfired. they suppressed information. they tampered with evidence. there's reports out there that they were actually tampering with witnesses sitting in front of that committee, something that has, frankly, never happened in the halls of congress happened with this j6 committee. so for them to be rewarded for, frankly, the lack of transparency and honesty they gave to the american people is disgusting. but why are we surprised? this is the presidency of joe biden, the very worst presidency i

capitol and the two republican members of the committee, former representatives liz cheney and adam kinzinger

i mean liz cheney is a disaster. she's a crying lunatic and crying adam kinzinger, he's a super crier, i never saw the guy not cry, always crying. i looked at him and remember years ago he was on my side and one day, when you don't want to kill people in wars they turn against you. liz cheney hated the concept of not going to war with everybody. >> so he calls you a super crier. what does that say to you about where we are? >> well, first off, i didn't sleep that late, it was like 8:00. no. the -- look i mean this is what we can expect for four years. it's childish, right. we did our job and we embarrassed him. we showed that for 187 minutes he sat on his butt while his people tried to overthrow the government and that embarrassed him. the idea of saying that, you know, we're out there begging for war, i mean, i'm a veteran, for god's sake. i'm in the military for god's sake. that's a silly accusation, but that's what he does. again, it's going to be four years of making up stuff, exaggerated and punching down. this