to do that, i'm joined now by liz choker, she's a political scientist, liz, it's good to see you again. and let's talk about brian to santa's. here he has been described as a younger version of donald trump. a. is he tapping into that? that trump base by going after what he calls the woke agenda. he's definitely trying to tap into some base it's. it's the idea why? because if anything from the midterms in the last 2 years has shown that fringe, that base is, is not producing results. he's absolutely going after sound bites, he's going after trigger issues instead of having concrete policies. because notice he says, well, and he's very vague about what that means in the past. he's shifted what that means to be convenient to what he's saying at the moment. so he's trying to get people on emotion. he's trying to tap into folks without saying this is what i'm going to do for you. but instead of anger, you're up here and create an us versus then mentality to hopefully drive a base to the polls. and we have to say that the sand is, he's not flirting with fringe groups here. i was looking at