and we will use that wisely. >> liz kendall, lovely to see you on the show. this morning.ext, i'm going to be talking to former chancellor and soon to be independent citizen and non—mp kwasi kwarteng. don't go anywhere welcome back to the camilla tominey show i'm pointed in this direction because kwasi kwarteng is in the studio with me. we've had a fun packed show, kwasi. we're fast running out of time. let's rattle through a few of these questions. how do you think the campaign is going so far? well, it's had a rocky start. there's no question about that one way of describing it. >> but i think, you know, these are long campaigns are six weeks. and generally, in my experience, you're talking about something completely different at the end than you were at the beginning. yeah, maybe that's right. >> the dial moves. that's right, michael portillo was in your chair earlier today saying that he thought that michael gove had been disrespectful to his constituents for standing down at the last minute. you did the right thing. you said early doors. that's it. i'm out and then yo

liz kendall, the shadow pensions and work secretary, will be coming on.elegraph, suggesting that the first private school has already closed down in anticipation of labour scrapping that vat break for private schools. i suppose the question for miss kendall is, is labour now advocating a policy that results in schools being shut down? >> well, i guess i mean, they don't believe in private education, do they? so they won't be that sad about it . so won't be that sad about it. so the question is, is whether is that policy is actually forced. it upon them? >> well, of course the big issue, the big issue is if schools close down or if people stop sending their children to private school in any great numbers, what does that do to the revenue take that their basing a whole load of their policies on? >> also, stephen, where do we put these children? so the ifs, the institute for fiscal studies has predicted that at worst , has predicted that at worst, this policy could result in 40,000 for private school pupils with their parents not able to pay with their paren