the three people who died, kirby brown, james shore, liz neuman, had he met them? >> oh, yes. liz neuman had participated in a number of these events before. >> larry: he could face, what, 37 years in prison? >> i haven't counted it up but he would face real jail time if he got convicted. >> larry: what's the defense, brad? >> the defense is that this is a tragic accident. that nobody, certainly not james, did not foresee consequences like this. he took, as i said earlier, he took safe guards that as far as we can tell go beyond other sweat lodges and as i say, did not prevent anybody from leaving if they got in trouble. >> larry: if the clip we showed of the woman that is indicative of the kind of witnesses -- you would have to present other witnesses to say she's got telling the truth or what? >> i've been doing this for 30 years and feel strongly about our criminal justice system. the government has to prove guilty beyond a reasonable doubt. this should not be a criminal case. this was an accident. and i don't want to say we're looking forward to it, but because we're going