and we saw that with liz perez who is the naval officer with the green and energy independence and all folks that have -- >> liz is one of our facilitators. one of the exciting things about people like liz perez -- >> do you remember her? she was on the show when we were in austin, texas. has the green energy gc green out of san diego. she was on with john haufman. anyway, it was an eye moment for me, actually. >> what is exciting about liz and people like her is that they will actually be teaching these courses. so not only are they vets themselves who can actually relate to the people sitting in the room, but they've been in the trenches in terms of entrepreneurship. so not only do they understand veterans where they are, but they also understand business and what it takes to be a successful entrepreneur. >> go ahead, jonathan. >> so, alanna, they take these courses. but then what happens after that with the veterans? what happens to them? what kind of, i don't know, programs or supports or something that helps them take everything that they've learned and then move night something t

i'd love to introduce you, if you don't know her already, petty officer liz perez and some of the naval officers i know are working on this. you need a lot of people working on this and the more everybody is able to meet each other and form a broader network it seems it will be even more powerful. wonderful to make the acquaintance by way of tv and thanks for your time today, terron. >> thank you, dylan, and thank you for being vigilant. >>> we know dan from yahoo finance and commerce, money and economics. you sort of brought a nice perspective to this, which is compared to a few years ago, for someone beating the drum on efficiency all the time, we've moved in that direction. >> even compared to a year ago, i just saw a number of december. we drove 1.5% more miles than we did the year before, using about 3% less gasoline. that's a 4% improvement. it may not sound like much. you do that two or three years in a row and you're talking serious business. >> what have the efficiency trends been and is this a reversal for this country? >> if anything, i think the efficiency trends were negati