to talk this through we are joined by liz ryan, president of the campaign for youth justice, to end the incarceration of youth for adult crimes. google hangout is glen martin who was convicted of armed robbery and served six years. a youth are advocate. welcome to all of you. liz i want to start with you. give us a snapshot of the 250,000 juveniles who go through system and how the numbers shake out. >> as you said, about a quarter of a million young people are tried in adult criminal court every single year. many of these young people are prosecuted for first time so many of them are first time offenders, many of them are charged with minor and nonviolent offenses. some people aged 16 and 17 where glen is based are automatically tried in adult court no matter what the crime is. we see a lot of situations, many of these are placed in adult jails pretrial and they haven't been convicted of anything, adult jail the most at risk for abuse and assault. many in solitary confinement before trial. >> you say many of them are in minor offenses, what would trigger a youth being tried in adult co

i think actually ryan liz za has a good point. it is a fraud republican party.ot a good enough relationship between the two key people on either side. >> that's a good principle for negotiations between two principle who have the ability to make commitments on behalf of the people they're representing. john boehner is not a principal here. he is driven by his caucus. three weeks ago, john boehner and eric cantor were trying to put together a plan that would have led to almost exactly what's come out of democratic senate now. they were going to pass a continuing resolution that funded the government at the levels contemplated in the continuing resolution and that would have had a provision funding obama care that the senate could send directly to the president without it coming back to the house. three weeks ago john boehner wanted to cave on this. he's been forced by his caucus not to give that up. what is he supposed to discuss in a negotiation with the president? the president is going to say i'm not doing something that delays or defunds obama care. boehner h

she also attacked ryan liz of the new yorker. ryan and ezra cline are not liberal pundits. they're journalists. they may be liberal people, but they're journalists. >> they're very good journalists who do a lot of reporting. >> their credibility is on the line and they can't just lie to people. you would have to lie in that situation. i am one of the biggest supporters of obama care. i have gone to the mat on obama care over and over and over. but you can't pretend this isn't happening. >> the emperor wears no clothes. >> and it's a real setback for people who believe in acts of discoverment and believe that we should have the single payer system. so it's a setback. >> i'm the only guy here. i'm trying to keep it on the high road. you mentioned, amy, the health style section, the lifestyle section, another place where the obama care debacle has broken through is on the camdy section. let's take a look at last night, "saturday night live" rolled out someone who looked like catherine sebelius. >> a lot of folks have been talking about our new health care enrollment website, h

hasn't compromised at all, when the cr they want to pass is practically as austere as the ryan budget itself. >> lizby the way, i get a chance to say this on the air. you writers ton "daily show" are geniuses, and "the colbert report." i laugh my butt off listening to you guys. thank you so much, liz, who knows what's funny and what isn't. and john allen who knows what's true. we'll be right back after this. >>> let me finish tonight with this. one thing i've discovered, with all this hell on earth, it's given people a healthy attitude for better politics. tip and the gipper, when politics worked with and the real-life deal making of liberals will appear next week on "the new york times" best seller list. what does it tell you? it tells you this country is still a hopeful country, still a fair country, and knows that if we keep going in the direction we're going in right now, with four out of five americans saying it's the wrong direction, we're in for even worse trouble. we either learn to make self-government work or lose the one great asset this country has, the ability to work things out between

. >> other factors according to ryan lizs. he says outside conservative groups which raise money for the hard line congressmen for their districts have siphoned power away from the speaker's office. we couldn't get a response specifically to that or to the criticism from other republicans of this strategy from boehner's office. >> thank you very much. that was brian todd reporting for us this morning. >>> today is a major mile on stone for the health care overall as well. it is the first day that you can actually buy coverage from the insurance exchanges. that is the marketplace where you can shop for various health coverage options to take effect on january 1st. critics say many people may pay more for coverage than they are paying right now but health and human services secretary kathleen sebelius insists there will be options for every american and every budget. >> 6 out of 10 people will have the choice, the choice of a policy for under a hundred dollars. it's a debate. do you want to have protection for basically every ch

ryan 400. liz 200 t.n offensive game and anything could happen as we go to the 300 point round t. game will be decided here. i'm just reshuffling the cards, please bear with me. i am now ready for the 300 point round. we will pick a winner, crown a championship here him time on the clock, on friday, president obama nominated this former top -- brian. >> jay johnson. >> jay johnson is the new nominee for the department of homeland security. correct. an instant bonus question. johnson will replace janell napolitano who before becoming head of what office. a dramatic turn. d.c. area congress woman donna edwards co-sponsored legislation this week that would strip the trademark from this controversially named organizati organization. time. a little late. washington redskins. 300 point question question. name a finalist this week. jill la more's book of ages, sister of which declaration of independent seener and favorite philadelphia sun. brian. >> ben frank len. >> 300 more points for brean. which governor sig

ryan. >> reporter: hi, liz. first a quick recap on today. both sides have been meeting inside the caltrans building since 9:30 this morning. they have not really come out and provided any real updates either side. so that's a surprise. they are still tens of millions of dollars apart. both sides cannot agree on just how much that split is. and now pollsters can't even agree on public opinion. everyone has an opinion about bart. >> i think it's like holding the city hostage to people that want to make more money. >> it's important to bart strike to the workers. >> certainly it is not benefitting the people that don't work there. >> $70,000, people should get a fair shake. >> reporter: yesterday the bay area council a pro-business organization released a public opinion poll. kpix 5 reporter joe vazquez asked the unions about it. >> 63% of people who live in the bay area counties say you should just take the deal, be done with it, take bart's deal and let's reach a settlement. what do you say to that? >> i would say that the bay area council is

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liz. roz brewer, ursula burns. shawnda ryan.ryone. i'm frank mallicoat. 8:25. let's get up updated on some headlines around the bay area now. bart's cooling-off period ends tonight and if there is no contract, there could be a strike come friday morning. the unions have not issued the customary 72-hour notice of a strike, but workers would still walk out tonight. >>> police over at uc-berkeley are searching for a suspected prowler who may be stealing laptops from classrooms. they just released this photo from the north side of campus. police say the man has been seen wandering inside campus buildings with his phone at his ear. >>> and the city of san carlos is thinking about spending a quarter million dollars to investigate whether a pg&e pipeline safe. the pipeline was shut off after city officials received an internal pg&e email about cracks and corrosion on the pipe. traffic and weather and weather coming up right after the break. leep train's inventory clearance sale get three years interest-free financing on tempur-pedic. s

six weeks or something, and let's start talking about the kind of ideas that paul ryan put on the table last week. lizresentative cole, what's the atmosphere like behind you when you run into your democratic brethren, and, yes, i use the word brethren because most americans really want to see everybody get along and get this country back to work. you're right, there are a lot of government workers who are furloughed right now. i sat next to one on an airplane coming back from l.a. this person just bought an apartment and said, i can't believe it, i've got no paycheck. i mean, this is distressing and depressing. what's it like when you run into people on the other side of the aisle? is it less contentious than the rest of us are led to believe? >> you know, i think all sides are frustrated that we are in this box, but at the end of the day, if we start talking, i think we can get out of the box. i think the mistake here is putting preconditions on negotiations. the president's done that, harry reid has done that and, frankly, some republicans have done that with respect to obamacare. that's simply not

but, liz, that just goes to show you that the unions are digging in their heels. back to you. >> thank you, ryan. >>> kpix 5's phil matier has been following these negotiations for months now. phil, it exploded this afternoon. i don't think anybody saw this coming. >> reporter: actually it hit the wall this morning. and that's why everybody got really, really quiet. it comes down to the work rules. they have agreed on a lot of the pay. they have agreed on a lot of the benefits. but these work rules everything from, for example, overtime. you can call in sick during a 40 hour week and still sign up for an overtime shift at the end of the week. bart wants to you work 40 hours in the shop before you get overtime. other things, even small things, parking spaces. a lot of it comes down to jobs. a job that used to take two can be done with one. assignments. they want the ability to say, okay, ken, tonight you're anchoring, tomorrow you're reporting and wednesday the morning shift. this comes to a core of what a lot of union strength is about with the rank-and-file. it is the work rules. it's the abili

ryan, a democrat from ohio. we just want to get this out of the way. everyone safe? >> everybody is fine. my office is fine. we went into lock down. liz: the capital. >> james langford from obama city, jack kemp was a really good guy. that's all right. i was separated from the staff initially. everyone is doing fine. liz: my apologies, representative langford. let's get to the issue at hand. today are there any breakthroughs in coming together to resolve this issue of raising the debt ceiling? representative campbell, will let you take -- lankford. >> i would try to say it like john campbell say then fell in for him. there is up in a major breakthrough. the debt ceiling is coming up. first things first, the budget crisis right now. with the government's somewhere currently in reactors all that. hopefully we can do that sooner than later. if it keeps up another week or so we're running right into the decile initiations. very different, as you mentioned multiple times to be very different than just this government's slowdown. it really is shut down. liz: where do you stand? there are some democrats who have started to feel that there ar