liz weston is there with roger from spanish fork, utah. roger, what's your question? >> roger, what's your question for us? >> i can't hear anything. >> go ahead. just tell them what your question is. >> the question was what's going to happen if they vote to the debt ceiling? >> so if we go over and they don't have a solution, basically? >> they don't have a solution and we don't -- and we don't increase the debt ceiling, that's the question that i've been thinking about, what's going to happen. i think that's what's causing fear in a lot of people. >> liz, take a whack. what do you think's going to happen if we go over the debt ceiling if only for a matter of days? >> yeah, i think there would be a lot of reaction. i think right now what we're seeing in the market is wall street doesn't really believe that congress would be stupid enough to let the country go over the cliff and default on its debt. if it should actually happen, you know, the stock market's definitely going to swoon. i can see the start of another credit crunch happening. you know, it depends on how