joining me now is errin haines, editor at large of the 19th, and lizz winstead, founder of abortion access, i want to start with you on that. these lie that republicans only wanted states to be laboratories of democracy, that's a lie, because one of their federal ideologues is now potentially poised to get the abortion pill banned for the whole country. what will that mean for women? >> well, it can mean many things, because i mean, it's sort of like it's bad and it's worse. there's no way that i believe that this judge is ever going to just say, oh, this is a frivolous case. it either means that the access to the care goes back only to be administered by clinics, and we all know that clinics just don't really exist anymore, making the barriers to access care terrible, or he can say, the fda friverously 23 years ago and after approving a drug that's safer than tylenol, we have to yank it off the shelves could mean literally zero access for the most common medication abortion in the country, and that is terrifying to a lot of people, especially low-income folks, rural folks, people of color