the problem is what we're facing today is groups like isis, groups like lk lrk, groups that are metastasizingnd killing people. >> what we're saying, guys, is that it's not one or the other. >> right. >> and it's a responsible approach is both. >> i agree. >> and that a way to fight terrorism is to develop some of these poor economies in africa, for instance, so people don't have to turn to terrorism. there are other options there. >> in the absence of economic development terrorism thrives. that's very important in the long-term. >> isn't that what you're saying. >> or sanctions, for example, that we've seen work against iran to deter them from building a nuclear weapon. or when we follow the finance trail with respect to how some of these terrorists are financing their situation. actionable intelligence in particular is so incredible before we go in and send our military. >> do you think we're missing actionable intelligence in iraq? >> we are missing actionable intelligence for the very reason that my colleague said, that we moved out and we don't necessarily have everything that we know t