and now your program host, nationally syndicated columnist llewellyn king, and co-host linda gasparello. >> hello again, and thank you so much for having us along. i'm so glad to have you here and so glad that you are about to meet james srodes, who goes by the name of jim, who has written "on dupont circle: -- "one dupont circle." it is literally a traffic circle in washington, d.c. how did he come in shaping the time he lives in? >> well, the point you raised earlier in your commentary is good for this book. this is a story about 12 people who we now know as monumental historical figures. but at the beginning of this story, they are very ordinary people. just like us. they are heir to all the failings and faults. >> you have developed a modesty that i do not remember, james. >> one does not think of frank -- of franklin roosevelt as being an ordinary man, yet all of his life he was terribly cash-strapped. >> as was churchill, by the way. >> absolutely. as for felix frankfurter, the great supreme court justice, and walter lippmann, the most influential political commentator of the 20th