of treasury, was called lloyd benson, the short history of lloyd benson's dealings with special interest groups, was the man is known for pro-quote, for pro-quote quickness. in texas that so folks debate is. that's $50 online. that's not my shortest poem. my shortest form is the political societal and philosophical implications of the o.j. simpson trial. that's the title. titles don't count. and the whole poem is oj, oy v vey. maybe anybody shortens the poem. [laughter] stanky you ever hear from politicians who are saying you're being too hard on the? >> no. i never have, and i've had this sort of nightmare which i have during the day. one of the reasons i don't hear from, they won't admit they read this stuff, but also i don't run into them because i live in new york and most of them are in washington. but i start having about 10 or 12 years ago i started having this sort of daytime nightmare that i went to a dinner party in new york, and all of them were there. and in my nightmare, and i arrived sort of early because i found a great parking spot. [laughter] and the only other guest the

people, lloyd benson when he ran for president on the democratic ticket had to quit the gentile country club he was in that didn't have any jewish members. we have a standard that's somewhat higher than not being an out and out klansman. the question here, would he join a club that had the "n" word as part of its novel, old-time memories as part of it or whatever. would he put up with that? that's the question here. would he put up with the old crap? >> and my sense is, knowing rick perry, he probably would not. but having grown up here and not knowing what the proper name for slingshot was until i was 4 or 5 years old and the sort of maligned neglect of the old south, where a generation and another generation before that used offensive words and didn't think a thing about it, this is the kind of thing that exists here. we know it. but is rick perry that kind of person? i've never seen it in this case. >> good, fair reporting. let me go to michael -- >> one last thing, though. one last thing. the question ultimately becomes, how does this turn about the policies? what he has done? what

the lloyd benson cases it mainly have been convenient although it may not have been investigated. if you're a big dairy processor, knowing what the controlled price of milk is going to be or knowing how -- are they going to lift the subsidies in the next -- in the next farm bill, is the highway bill going to go through land that's owned by, you know, a company that could sell it for a lot of money, how are you going to regulate various products? you know, congress can and has in the past put companies almost out of business by changing the regulations that surround what they do. pollution regulations, cafe standards for automakers, all of those things have enormous impact on companies. so it would be relatively easy if there were no controls on it and if you didn't really have any sort of compunction about it. it would be relatively easy to make money by knowing what regulations you have. >> host: first call for her is fort walton beach, florida, a republican line. mike, good morning. >> caller: good morning. how are you? >> guest: i'm fine, thanks. how are you. >> caller: outstan