a scout named lloyd christopher he from san francisco and was a contemporary of joe dimaggio and one of the hardest and toughest scouts in the game and said, when are you going to stop playing and star coaching. i hit a home run the night before and lloyd gets in my face and asked that question and i was 22 or 23. it was apparent to others that my tools were not good enough. charlie: it is hard to recognize. >> you need to be a good self evaluator and most of us are not at a certain point of our lives. i did keep it in the back of my mind and i was released by the angels and went into a couple of independent teams. monthed for $200 for the in my last month and i was commuting in a volkswagen. that is how i existed and i was living in a closet and that is not an exaggeration. that was the indicator that it was time to get out. charlie: what is the hazelton project? >> i went back home to my small and therennsylvania was a disconnect going on between the hispanics and the group that was already there. i went home and i was shocked by what i was seeing and it was a dark and fearful plac

a guy named lloyd christopher whom i revere, from san francisco, played for the san francisco seals, was a contemporary of dimaggio, one of the hardest, toughest, coolest, greatest scouts in the history of our game walked up and said when are you going to stop playing and start coaching? that's after hitting a home run, feeling hot about myself and here comes lloyd in my face asking me that question. i think i was 22 or 23 at the time. so that's when it became apparent to other people my tools weren't good enough and i should get into the other end of the game. >> rose: it's a hard thing to recognize. >> it is. you need to be a good self-evaluator. most of us are not at a certain point in our life. but i obviously kept it in the back of my mind. eventually, i was released by the angels, grabbed -- caught on to two independent teams in the california league, bakersfield and santa clara. the last month i played for 200 bucks a month and commuting in a volkswagen. that's how i existed. i was living in a closet. that's not an exaggeration. those were indicators it was time to get out. >>