i did talk to lord simpson and al gore -- lloyd simpson and al gore. in fact, i talked to gary hart. he and i served together. we were close, but not very close. and he called me back and my secretary said, gary hart is on the line. i went back in, got on the phone, and said, hi, gary. and he started laughing. the last sort of rolled and rolled. not a word had been spoken between us. almost like there is a new brotherhood now. [laughter] rather raucous laughter that had no basis to it , i said, why are we laughing? he said, it is life. so it is a unique experience. and this is my turn. >> what do you think you will be facing the next few months? mr. tsongas: timmy, this is really a campaign of a message. so i am a candidate and the usual kind of thing, but that message has to get out there. there is so much of this is i'm getting opinionated leaders in the united states, whether they are academic, political activists, those people to read the ideas and have a sense of that, a sense of direction. in essence, it is a campaign of people who believe not on