good win and picking to their deaths and their bodies tortured and killed on property owned by a local clansman wasn't the first attack on a church to be a key movement. the death of four little girls in a firebombing at the 16th street baptist church this birmingham horrified the nation. how do you describe attacks on churches. i mean how do you categorise them? >> what's been going on you have to go from anger to terrorism. because it's trying to intimidate us, to get back in our place. that's what it's all about. as i read this historical books, stay in your place, and so it is a form of terrorism. i would think. but it's born out of hatred. >> the same hatred that raged in the sanctuary of an historic house of worship in charleston carl your carolina, and in the days after destroying churches and south carolina and george ya. no evidence of a hate crime or links to group. if the authorities can never find association between hate groups, crimes and these fires, you still think there's reason for concern? >> absolutely. absolutely >>> couldn't it be a coincidence. >> of course not. >> what i