not simply to deny any location whatsoever. i mean certainly the department has the discretion at that second step to say you don't moot the requirements. but once they approve which they did and once they come to the hearing there isn't any more discretion for the director or hearing officer to recommended denial autopsy anytime you find a location there has to be a suitable location found >> no, ma'am. >> you have to find an alternative site once denied. >> i want to put this s m f process up again. >> i have it in front of me. at&t makes an application to the city a very detailed application. once the city gets the application it can do a couple of things one thing it's allowed to do is conduct a site visit and see if it wants to approve alternative locations if it choose not do this and deny the permit saying we don't think this location is go back 80 going to plain clothes a crosswalk once they say this meets the requirements then, yes we're past the point they can later change their mind and deny the application. the poin

he can recommend one of the proposed locates or recommended one of the location modifications. he didn't have the authority to recommend denials that's not his role in the process >> okay. thank you. >> i have a question. this is towards your outreach. what is - is there a required radius for required notice >> it's 3 hundred yards within the proposed location. the outreach is actually more extensive at&t did mailings in the neighborhood >> and your mailings are they done there a third party or from at&t directly. >> i'll - let me answer that. >> 3 hundred feet or yards. >> i don't know the specific answer i don't want to say something that's incorrect. >> so right now the 3 hundred yard notification and you say you box wall as well do you box walk that 3 hundred yards as well. >> we actually box more than simply the 3 hundred yards within the proposed location. >> and how often is that one time or multiple times they go out. >> so the way the box walk works is that their mass mailings to everybody in the neighborhood with times for the box walks. so citizens who want to have i

at&t has identified an alternative location around 6, 72 california street and the alternative location is a relatively quiet area that gets very little foot traffic. we therefore respectfully ask to uphold the hearing officer decision and ask this be denied >> any other public comment for 315, 30th. okay 17852 ann district attorney. seeing none, 120 balboa. 303 as an carlos and 121 as an karlsz >> i'm joel becker the back of our building face where this box will be our neighborhood and everyone on the alley put protests to the box and we met with at&t on the 5th of june and the representatives from at&t said it was a terrible location there's a cafe there's that's permitted by the department of public works and there's a significant interact of traffic problem we identified an alternative that location was further brought and app at&t was and i memorable to the location. it was mentioned that the 55 protests was one of the largest ever seen i brought a petition with more than a bosses distinct homes protesting the location at the 121 as an carlos and at&t is arguing they believe this i

locations, but it looks like if we start counting locations that are international, because right now it's just the united states and we're starting to see is the upper fillmore is the strongest example. that community believes that international retailers are sort of rushing to open up in the upper fillmore to beat this threshold, but that is a very rare case. the study found most international companies by the time they come here are well already 12. so if we start counting international locations it should address that problem that they are having. >> so in other words, 12 locations worldwide is not making a difference one way or another? >> well, right now it's not 12 locations worldwide. >> right. >> yes. so the report says it will capture a small amount of retailer because most of them are already located here or already have more than 12. so the other thing it points out is that in some communities that have a strong cultural identity, it's a good fit to have a retailer, like a japantown, there are specific japanese retailers coming there. >> right. >> same with the mission. >>

to recommend and withdraw the original location. we then didn't hear anything for 4 or 5 months we thought we explicit know what happened and sometime in november audio think we got a notice about a hearing on the original site i actually attend that meeting when i came up at&t did in that hearing kind of voice the proposed alternative location as the preference and intended to withdraw the original and at this point, i guess the recommendation we heard in the room from dpw was to reject the original proposal and apparently by process the argument made they had to adrenalin that i don't know anything about this i'm a bystander i'm jefferson inclined to agree what i've heard i think that notice should be given for the locations but not knowing what it means for this appeal to go forward i'm concerned thank you >> i have one question the box walk how long did it take to schedule the box walk. >> i don't recall a lot of the negotiation i recall it being set here's the date and time when we were given notice and we have residents in our

make an informed decision between the location and the alternative location on lucy.hat happened at&t requested us to stop the process they cited in this case put the location if to a undue postings but had this moved that or this would have been resolved and not before this board. that's all i have as relate to the history we depended on it for whatever reason if they continued the process we wouldn't be in front of this board a decision would have been render >> we can take comment from the patient people in the back right now, please step forward. >> madam president, and ma'am, vice president thank you. i'm brian i'm co-author of a paper that was submitted to commissioner president lazarus. we did not obtain to another at&t s m f installation in the neighborhood open the location. i live there i have an s m f right in front of my house. there would be another s m f right on the side of my house we did a box walk. we identified an alternative site. we just building that dpw shown good faith in the process by denying the installation site at the

now we have to locations when a one was the suggestion of the absurdity location this allows the department once i'm assuming we'll receive objections from an alternative locations we'll have two to oxygen's of the less intrusive one i believe the process is being followed by us asking to provide the correct next step. >> commissioners item number 15 is submitted. >> ideas? i mean what can we do here we've got to deny the permit? or accept the permit but that still requires notifications; right? >> we should probably be consistent, you know, the fact that their might have been a kwifrn here the fact of the time i'm wouldn't be comfortable to grant this appeal and law the conditions so that the alternative site as mr. quan mentioned we do know whether they will obtain so i'm prepared to uphold the denial and . >> deny the appeal. >> deny the appeal and on the basis that department did not error and their decision was compliant. >> any other commissioners okay. we'll take that as a motion so there's been a motion to deny the appeal and uphold the appeal on the basis the permits were okay unde

and at&t would seek another location. i also explained at this time i was opening up a new coveting where the proposed box would sit in the middle of our outdoor seating and not allow to have the clearance from the table to the curb. again at&t representatives said they'll find an alternative location. december 17th we had a hearing and told there would be a rendering from the commission on this. i'm confused why we're here tonight after this seems like i would think that at&t said they understood this is why we're having this hearing. i have an iphone photo i'll put it up this is a picture of our location our little cafe our outdoor seating and the proposed box would be in the middle of the property space on the curb and not allow us to have our outdoor seating we have a permit for outdoors seating from the public works and it's not viable to put this promoted boxing box at this site >> other comment, however, elsie street. 15 germany rad street. please step forward and good evening ladies and gentlemen, i'm the owner of

towed pinger locator. to this point, it has not been able to reacquire the signals. this are many steps yet before these detections can be positively verified as being from missing flight mh 370. firstly, we need to fix the position. then the ocean shield can lower the autonomous underwater vehicle bluefin 21 into the water and attempt to locate wreckage on the sea floor. another source of evidence search as wreckage would verify this lead. the area in which the signals have been received has a depth of approximately 4,500 meters. this is also the limited capability of the autonomous underwater vehicle. i need to be honest with you. it could take some days before the information is available to establish whether these detections can be confirmed as being from mh 370. in very deep oceanic water, nothing happens fast. of course, i will update you once we have an unequivocal determination. ocean shield will stay in its current area until such time as it can verify or discount the detections as being from mh 3

first the pinger locator finds the location.that's probably what they're preparing to do right now. >> great information. thank you, brian todd. and the commander on board the bluefin backs up exactly what you're saying, that they have to get down there and search for debris using the equipment brian todd talked about. our thanks to brian todd. the breaking news is our search for flight 370 has detected pingers consistent with a flight data recorder and cockpit voice recorder. we're going to continue to break down all the details on this right after the break. here are the details, though. they said that it was one-second intervals when they spotted this. and one-second intervals. they said it was at a 300 meter depth, which caused them some concern because it was not deep enough. they said they turned all the noise producing equipment off on board that ship, which is the ocean shield, which is an australian ship that is carrying a u.s. pinger locator, towing a u.s. pinger locator. turned off all the noise producing equipment, l

was at this location.s a number of corroborating part of this jigsaw puzzle that give them a very high degree of certainty that they've got the location. >> geoffrey, it seems to me now that the discovery of these two new pings, it changes the time line in a way in the investigation. it gives them a general sense, more than a general sense, a fairly specific sense, of where they need to search on the bottom of the ocean. and now, what they're trying to do is really hone in on as exact a location as possible. soap where before, they were in a race against time to find these pings -- >> yep. >> -- now they have the pings, now, they want to get as many pings as possible before the batteries run out before they put that bluefin submersible in the water. >> indeed, john. the factory life as we've heard many, many times is certified for 30 days. that's the certification, faa standard 30 days. however, the reality is with many things in aviation, these items are overengineered including the batteries. the experie

and so they are scanning in that location. haven't heard anything from that location yet. i'm told by the experts that it -- it is a separate thing regardless. if they heard pings there it is probably not the same point of originatation as the location where the ocean shield is. >> david, at this point, do you think they're going to be at this for sometime since they have not heard these pings again since sunday? >> yeah, i agree with what richard said, anderson, is that they will keep going until they're fairly sure the batteries are worn down into nothing. because if they get one or two more good hits it will be time to put everything in the water and start searching the sea floor. >> yeah, i want to bring in mark matthews, a u.s. navy captain from australia. he has been obviously on the hunt and knows firsthand the ins and outs. i appreciate you joining us. can you just give us an update on what you expect today, the details of the search, how is it going? >> certainly, anderson, my pleasure to be with you today. what we expect the teams to continue doing is the search

the plane be in a totally different location? >> it would not be in a totally different location.find the black boxes you find the plane? >> you will find the plane, yes. >> yeah, depending on how the aircraft broke up. >> you assume it did break up, assuming it went into the indian ocean and crashed in there? >> it's like hitting concrete. >> there is no way it could have floated in smoothly? >> it's not the hudson. >> yeah. here's a question, mark, for you, could a flight crew member intent on disappearing the plane have disabled or damaged the black box to leave no record. >> no, no. >> there is no access from the cockpit or inside the cabin. >> they're in the tail of the cabin. >> they could have pulled circuit breakers which would have stopped either one of the boxes from working. >> all right. >> so we don't know. >> a lot more questions and we will continue to try to answer questions for all of our viewers. thanks for watching. i will be back 5:00 p.m. eastern later today, another special edition of the situation room. until then, thanks very much for watching. newsroom sta

is continuing to comb the waters in the lateral location. they want more information to be able to narrow down a potential search field. and they need that before deploying the bluefin 21, the underwater autonomous vehicle. so they're going to continue to search for vehicles until they're absolutely certain that the battery has run out. only then will they deploy the vehicle to go underneath the water and try and find the wreckage. and get some sort of confirmation that this is in fact from missing flight mh-370. but certainly encouraging signs out of perth this morning, errol. >> now, as you were speaking there, erin, we saw one of the maps which basically breaks down what the jacc announced moments ago showing the location of the four pings that have been detected plus what they call the estimated route of the last handshake. i think we can pull that up for our viewers now. even though angus houston said look, we're going to wait for another detection before we drop the vehicle. he still wants to wait longer because there could possibly be

locator device. they say the signals from an area nearly three miles deep sounded just like an airliner's recorder pings. sonar underwater drone will be deployed to map the ocean. in the meantime, aircraft are getting ready to resume the search for debris to try to pinpoint the location. and there's fresh mystery right now about the airliner's flight path. a senior malaysian source says that according to radar data, the plane curved north of indonesia before turning south over the indian ocean, perhaps to avoid detection. our analysts are standing by in washington as well as around the world with the kind of coverage that only cnn can deliver. let's begin with matthew chance. he's joining us from perth, australia. what's the latest, matthew? >> reporter: wolf, thanks. intensive efforts to try to confirm the dramatic findings over the weekend. there are observation flights that are expected to take off here from the australian city of perth within the next few hours. also, a number of ships have made

and it's consistent with the locater on a black box. that's why we are more confident than we were before, but we have to lay eyes on it. one more question we are working. that's one of my roles to coordinate that. this week is very busy in perth because there's a big conference. that is true right now. we have thousands of people here at the moment. thousands of visitors. from the end of this week, we will have adequate accommodation to cater to the families and we will be keeping a very close eye on that. we are working very closely with the chinese ambassador and his staff, the malaysian high commissioner and hi staff, malaysian airlines and the west australian government, the city of perth and the city of free mantle to ensure that we can do everything possible to ensure the families are looked after and taken care of when they come to australia. we want them to -- we know it's a very sad time for them. but when they come, they will be looked after. we are very know cussed on that. and i must say the west australian government, the

without that location from the black box, it is extremely difficult to get this get location of where to put in your blue fin side scan sonar, so it kind of was a series of steps that ideally you would take. the first one being a location on the black box, so without that, it is much more difficult. but remember, we're still out here, we're flying missions with our p-8, still flying. it will be up again today looking for debris. that still is a factor. you could easily still have debris on the surface of the water. that would give us a clue. we're hoping to still have a couple more days at least with the black box pinging away, so we'll still have the toad pinger locator out there, and, you know, only afterward will we kind of resort to putting the side scan sonar in a general location where it's not quite precise. >> all right. well, commander marks, thank you very much for taking the time this morning. we appreciate it, and we hope that you are successful here. >> thank you. appreciate having me. >>> and "outfront" next, the daunting task of detecting the pings from the black boxes.

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the tow's pinger locator found the pinger locator found it in those crashes. >>> let's bring in richardn keller, a senior analyst at mettron, a defense contractor who helped in the search of air france 447. colleen, you were brought in after they basically gave up. it still took two years to find the flight data recorders, cockpit voice recorders. you came in and came up with a new strategy and helped them. here's the question. if you were brought in to this current search, what would you do? >> well, wolf, we're just raring to go on this search. the first thing we have to do is look at all of the data that they have and estimate the uncertainty for the data. it's the radar and endurance cancellations and lay all of that out on the map and validate for them that they are looking in the right spot, existing right now. and then on top of that we would start accounting for their searching. every time they do a search and don't find something, that's very good information. and from my experience in the air france search investigation, the surface searches were not very well documented. we g

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it's like real estate location, location, location. >> being in the right place at the right time. is there anything else, playing devil's advocate that could emit this signal under water that may not be the black box? >> i suppose there are. i'm not an expert on underwater sound wave detection, but the fact of the frequency, they didn't record it, but monitored the frequency, and the one second pulse rate which i don't know if they recorded, bus if you have 90 seconds of that correct frequency and pulse rate. i think that sounds solid. >> okay. encouraging. time is running out. the batteries last for 30 days, and they are about on the 30th day of the safe. >> i talked to the man who tested the battery, a few days back, from the manufacturer. at the factly they put on full strength for about 34 days and spent about five days declining. i think we have until the 15th, if my maths is right. signals will be weaker after today or a few more days, but there's a little time. i sure hope they get the tow in the area or the british nuclear sub to get close. i guess the water is 13,000 feet

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location of the ship? >> we believe it is the location of the towed pinger. >> and moving up walking speed is what he said. >> one kilometer. >> so the fact that it is so spread out, what does that tell you? >> it is confusing to me in some respects because of the fact that the pinger should only be transmitting between three and five nautical miles. when you put it on the map it appears they're too far apart to be practical. there is also refraction that can happen. it can ping up, and then reflect back down so that extends the range significantly. >> miles o'brien, i mean, they are all around -- that line in the middle which is the satellite hand shake confirmation. correct? >> yeah, i guess one of the big things missing on this map is what is the scale of the map? >> it is at the bottom -- it is -- well, the scale is 20 kilometers. >> there is about 20 kilometers between -- >> i suspect -- you know, i do unpredictable, i suspect that may have something to do with it. clearly they want to have more of th

>> in attempts of locating this pinger, i mean, how big of an area -- i mean, how are you able to locate that area at this point? is it within a couple miles or a hundred miles? >> what i might do is ask one of the subject matter experts, commodore levy, to address your question, and you might just add a little bit on some of the challenges associated with the work that's being done underwater. >> i might just open with some of the challenges we face. as you've heard, most of the, all of the detections that are happening at the moment are acoust acoustic. you can think of it essentially as deployed microphones listening for sound, and on the towed pinger locator, that's sitting approximately 3,000 meters below the surface of the ocean. unlike in air, where sound travels in a straight line, acoustic energy, sound, through the water, is greatly affected by temperature, pressure and salinity and has the effect of attenuating, bending, sometimes 90 degrees of sound waves. it's quite possible for sound to travel great distances, but be very difficult to hear near the surface of the ocean, for

let's talk about those locations. are you making the same argument in regard to the locations >> the same argument applies after the box walk i'll could be and give the statistics. >> i need the timeline that's great. >> what is happening in all of those appeals after the box walk and congeniality outreach is concluded that dpw for whatever reason is not scheduling the timely meeting is violate the california law and the statute a extremely clear this is supposed be a 60 day process if it was a 80 or 90 day process that's one thing but a 12 month process does not provide the services that the people in the city that they want i'll take questions. >> i'll ask a question in the stance on wall street alleging at&t gave twenty-four hours notice of the box walk which would not be very much time and proposed an alternative location it didn't agree with was this neighboring neighbors wanted and the walk being conducted during non-business hours or on the weekend you're trying to hurry up and it's at the cost of the public to

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nav navy heg a ping for two hours from one location, another 15 minutes from another location.. navy saying publicly they're cautiously optimistic. these two sets of pings were coming from these two boxes. i assume this is a lot more credible to you. >> night and day, wolf. the way in which ocean shield has not only detected these for a sustained period of time, but also managed to record them. excuse me. peg my pardon. managed to record them and sent the recordings to perth where the wave form has been viewed and has been heard and managed to replicate it. it shows a very great difference. now, this isn't chinese bashing. this is science. this is basically saying in this scenario, the assets and the belief has do go at the moment to the ocean shield, whether it's australian, whether it's american, whether it's british, whether it's chinese, it doesn't matter. the fact it has the more sophisticated equipment and has the more reliable data tonight. >> the fact they haven't found any debris before hearing what they suspect are pings from the two black boxes, that's highly unusual

the big pine location has two functioning separate businesses, a retail location, and the other is theirhipping department. the retail location accounts for less than 10% of the total revenue, but after you add rent and labor and utilities, well that accounts for a lot of the loss. but when you have high rent factors, every one of these tiles, which is a square foot... >> has a dollar on it. >> costs money. how much are you losing a year? >> this store's probably losing about $20,000, $25,000 a year. >> and how much is your rent? >> about $25,000 a year. >> so it's the same. so that's what you have to really be thinking about. >> okay. >> key west key lime pie company does $1.4 million a year in sales, but it's losing money operating multiple locations. i know that if i can improve the product and consolidate all the operations to one location at greene street, we'll stand to make a lot of money. you guys should be very proud of yourself. i mean, you have a $1.4 million business. >> yeah. >> thank you. >> here's the problem. you guys know that i'm a people, process, product guy, and i'm

this location is not acceptable for our children. and the students already face many challenges during their years. the schooling years, safety, should not be one of them. san francisco flex academy needs a new safe location. and our high schoolers deserve your support and your mission statement says, to provide each student with equal opportunity to succeed, by promoting and it goes on to list and intelligent growth and creativity and etc., and physical and mental health. and so i am asking you to please support us and find us a new location, thank you. >> next speaker, please? >> hi, my name is terry and i am also a parent and sf flex. and i just want to say that i have been a parent in the san francisco unified since my son was in kindergarten. and i was at sherman before it was a good school. and i helped to build that school into the gem that it is today. and i helped to build that school that the school yard that you hold up as an example of this amazing project that the parents came together and did. and my son went to rooseve

navy pinger locator being towed by an australian ship. an american underwater drone now being called in to assist with this search in waters that are 2.8 miles deep. >> want to get back to that coverage in just a moment, but we do have other news this morning that is developing as we speak. >>> after a long hiatus, the oscar pistorius murder trial is under way again. pistorius's defense beginning its case this morning by calling a forensic pathologist to the stand. pistorius is expected to testify, though it is not clear when. cnn legal analyst kelly phelps joins us live from pretoria in south africa this morning. good morning, kelly. >> reporter: morning. >> give us the latest from the courtroom. tell us about this pathologist who's testifying. >> reporter: well, the pathologist who is the defense's expert witness is an incredibly experienced pathologist. he's been the state pathologist on three separate occasions. he's conducted over 25,000 autopsies within his career. so, he's certainly a reliable expert witness for the court. and so f

only about 20 miles by 20 miles where they're locating the pings.he larger search area being discussed is about two to 300 miles further west. and that is the big large area where they're searching for the surface debris, the floating. so the -- the current search area where ocean shield and hms echo are is where they're looking for the black boxes, the actual main body of wreckage on the ocean floor. and hms echo is there, arrived there last night to do a echo search of the bottom. the silt on the bottom will give a soft return, metal object, a large metal object hopefully will give a harder return. and that will be a very broad sweep. and that will give us even more definition before they launch the bluefin-21, which will go right down to the bottom. >> thank you, sir, everyone stick around, we'll be right back with more on our breaking news tonight. australia's prime minister says he is quote, very confident they have picked up signals from flight 370's black box, he says he will have more details after he meets with china's president at 5:30 p.m

the towed pinger locater -- locaters deployed from the australian defense vessel, ocean shield has detectedignals consistent with those emitted from aircraft like boxes. two separate signal detections have occurred in the northern part of the search area. the first detection was held for approximately 2 hours and 20 minutes. the ship then lost contact before conducting a turn and attempting to reacquire the signal. the second detection on the return leg was held at approximately 13 minutes. on this occasion, two distinct pinger returns were audible. significantly this would be consistent for transmissions from both the flight data recorder, and the cockpit voice rd recorder, need to be honest with you, it could be days to establish where the detections can be confirmed as being from mh-370, in very deep oceanic water, nothing happens fast. the satellite has essentially given us this area here as the most likely place where the mh-370 entered the water. yesterday, a couple of days ago, we had an encounter with the electronic pulse in this election here. >> and you have been listening to sear

in terms of time frames, once we pull in the towed locator, pinger locator, the tpl, we're essentially going to have to bring it up on deck and it will probably not be used again because by the time we complete the autonomous underwater vehicle work, we're going to be into the day 42, 43, whatever it is. and by then we would suggest that there would be no prospect of picking up an electronic signal. it would be quite extraordinary if we did. now, in terms of the time frame in the deployment of the underwater vehicle, it has a 24-hour cycle so we anticipate deploying it this evening. it will then be recovered and with the collection of data, analysis, and so on, it will be ready to be deployed, if everything goes according to plan, exactly 24 hours after the first deployment and so on. so it's a 24-hour cycle. it goes down, you don't get any indication of how things are going while it's deployed. you have to wait to recover it before you can get the download of the data that it has picked up. yes. >> hi. i'm wondering at this point the search has been going on, do you have any estimate