there is some hope about -- hope for the privacy location data. the gps case last year, the court ruled unanimously that there is a privacy interest in location data. but we are winning for that to trickle down and agencies have been attacking that. law-enforcement agencies have been attacking that pretty roundly. >> this is one of the loopholes that you can drive a truck through. cbp operates under what they claim as the complete border exception to the fourth amendment. which makes border regions -- we are in a border region now because we are within 200 miles of the ocean -- they consider border regions to be the culmination of the so they say they can have gps data where most people live without any regulation whatsoever. i don't care that much about this information. part of the problem is what is innocuous here and now may be something that you have strong reasons to keep private somewhere else or at some other time or different rules apply, especially if you are traveling internationally, or where policy is legal can change for better or fo

view is that type of prack cal application, we are looking at data owned by third-party participateors. and whether it has gotten to a location on a e-mail service provider, data, so i think there actually is a little -- i think there is a uniformity. it seems as though there is more discord and the case law is not uniform. the standards say these are identical, these are data that third parties have and we are going to apply the standard so full disclosure for both. >> i want to get the folks a little more information. >> we had five justices that explords and determined that under their analysis for this use of very powerful electronic surveillance that could track location even in a public place, that that has been carried forward, as far as we know, to the justice department's department's practice on location information when we are talking about cell phone information. if you could explain that. >> this is a mess when it comes to location information. as a matter, i think everyone would agree that clear rules are good for everybody. they are good for members of the public and law enforcement, and we don't have that at a

. >> what about mobile location data? this is an issue that has been introduced in a bill in house -- in the house to update ecpa. shouldhe view that ecpa be expanded to protect cell phone towers and the gps signal. is that something police should need a warned for? is that important to congress to address that issue? the coalition is not focusing on that. it is focusing on ecpa. from a civil liberties standpoint, and definitely legislation is needed to stop the unwarranted tracking of individuals. just because they have the gps in their phone or their car. i think rover would agree that the law needs to be change. that is not the focus of the digital fourth coalition. cars, mobile and the cloud. does that affect how the law looks at the medications? if you are in your league car you can text on your phone or your car. does that affect the law? >> i'm not sure if it should. if you're using your phone in , but in-- not driving .he passenger seat i think it should be the same as if you wrote a letter in the car. , how often

>> guest: what about mobile location data? this is an issue the commerce mind lofgren has issued a bill in the house. she addresses the bill in the senate, doesn't address the senate -- issue so congressman lachman -- lofgren's you -- is that something we need a warrant for an ascent something you think is important that congress addressed the issue? >> guest: two things. the fourth coalition is not focusing on that. it's focusing on x. buffer it from a civil liberties standpoint definitely legislation is needed to stop the unwarranted tracking of the individual because they have a gps in their phone or in their car. and so i think rover would agree that the law needs to be changed but that's not the focus of this digital coalition. >> guest: speaking of cars and the mobile cloud is that affect how the law looks at communications? if you are in your car you can text and phone in the car. does it affect the law of? >> guest: i'm not sure that it should. if if you are using your phone in your car and not driving and are in the p

>> what about mobile location data? this is an issue that congresswoman lofgren has introduced a bill in the house to update ecpa. the bill in the senate doesn't address this issue. in congresswoman lofgren's view, ecpa should be expanded to also protect which cell towers your cell phone's communicating with or the gps signal. is that something police should need a warrant for, and is that something you think is important that congress address that issue? >> guest: well, two things. the digital fourth coalition is not focusing on that, it's focusing on ecpa but from a civil liberties standpoint, definitely legislation is needed to stop the unwarranted tracking of individuals because they have a gps in their phone or in their car. and so i think grover would agree that the law needs to be changed, but that's not the focus of the digital fourth coalition. >> host: well, speaking of cars and, again, the mobile and the cloud, does that affect how the law looks at communications? if you're in your car anymore we can text and

into, maybe the ones getting rounded up. >> there's great language of the privacy implications of location datand other sensitive data that can come out if your location is being tracked. you may be going to a religious institution or political rally or an abortion clinic or a particular doctor's office, therapists office and all of that is very private information you might not want forever and then secret file somewhere. >> question down in the front. the mac advert come a dozen years ago it back pack two on the world for 20 before i left about your great book and an air ticket also in a thank you. it's another to be in the room with you. for those who don't know come in the is a living legend in the travel world. coming back to the right to travel, that law, right to travel seems rather narrow and some ways. what is the big picture of our right to travel and what would be reasonable exception? it's reasonable to record the identity of everyone who crosses the order. a asking for an injunction saying you're threatening to kill me and our children and so i went to court are bored enough to wal

there is some hope about -- hope for the privacy location data. the gps case last year, the court ruled unanimously that there is a privacy interest in location data. but we are winning for that to trickle down and agencies have been attacking that. law-enforcement agencies have been attacking that pretty roundly. >> this is one of the loopholes that you can drive a truck through. cbp operates under what they claim as the complete border exception to the fourth amendment. which makes border regions -- we are in a border region now because we are within 200 miles of the ocean -- they consider border regions to be the [indiscernible] gpshey say they can have data where most people live without any regulation whatsoever. i don't care that much about this information. part of the problem is what is innocuous here and now may be something that you have strong reasons to keep private somewhere else or at some other time or different rules apply, especially if you are traveling internationally, or where policy is legal can change for better or for worse

they ruled anonymously there is in fact a privacy interest in location data.but we're waiting to see that trickle down and the agency have been attacking that. the law enforcement agencies have been attacking that. >> this is one of the loop home you can drive a truck through and cvp operates under what they claim as a complete border exception to the fourth amendment which makes border regions sitting in a border region now because 200 mime of the ocean. they consider border regions to be the virtual you of the border. cvp is claiming they can set up license plate reader in the area where most of the u.s. population lives with no regulation whatsoever. and for those who may be templed to think, you know, i don't care that much about the information. part of the problem is that what is knock innocuous here and now may be something you have strong reason to keep private somewhere else or some other time where different rule apply. what can change for better or worse with time. that's the particular danger of not merely looking at this now. the data that can com

information about the dispatch service or any proprietary thing that they are doing, getting location and other data about the taxicab so if i am at the corner of -- and mcallister the service can identify the taxicabs in the vicinity; we are pulling them into one place. >> let me think about that one. >> i'm sure that we have public comment that should be get a board temperature check on the amendment? you cannot take public action until you take public comment. >> public comment not only on the item? >> as proposed. >> (calling speakers) >> hello. as a desoto driver of many years in the medallion holder of not quite many years i am leery of anything that would dilute desoto's brand. in the past i have not been in favor of universal taxi access but that decision has made for us with uber; to get on a level playing field we are going to have to go with this sort of universal information for an app, and i urge you to pass it. thank you very much. >> next speaker please. >> catherine dominguez. >> my name is catherine dominguez. thank you to the members of sfmta for the opportunity to speak before you

location. and we used open data to seed our entire system. so, we input over a thousand things from open data including parks and fountains and civic art and to focus on trying to get people to walk more in their daily life. so, we have things like parks and there are 695 pieces of civic art in the city. what he we do, then, is take these -- we serve up based on your current location. if you're interested in doing that, we share who created the activity so we give people credit for inspiring others. we show you information about the activity that it's free, it's food for kids, where it is, and then photos of other people who have completed this activity. and if you're interested in doing it, we route it for you and as you're doing that we collect data from the gps showing how much work you put in. so, steps in intensity, elevation distance travel. our goal is to make health not feel like work. show an impact doing small things like taking the stairs instead of escalator, walking somewhere to get a healthy lunch. we created an overall health s

you mentioned the transparency reports and possibly some discussion of how location data is disclosed and how that there is across different agencies, different providers. but what are some of the things like that that you could actually measure to aid in the updating of ecpa? >> i'll tell you one thing that ought to be there that we don't have, and that would really aid in the updating of ecpa is data about how it's being used by law enforcement now. each year that the wiretap report that gives out information about how many wiretaps were placed by federal and state and local law enforcement. and it tells you where, what the crime being investigated was. it's quite granular. there's nothing like that in terms of disclosures under ecpa. there's no statutory requirement to do that. so in a sense, congress, i think they will legislate but they are going to be legislating based on partial data, just the data that's being disclosed voluntarily by the companies like google, microsoft and the others that david mission. i think we need to have more visibility about exactly what demands are b

i think it'll be great to have everyone figure out kind of how location data is being disclosed and what the kind of standards are across the spectrum. because as jason was saying, it really differs based on where you are. so i look forward to that because i think it is a different analysis, and the third party doctrine, i think the courts may take a different tack, but congress is looking at the constitutional requirement and how courts are reviewing, but also what other factors play into that. >> so, david, i wanted to ask you from google's perspective, the analysis leading to the third party doctrine was this notion that, well, if you shared it with some third party, you must not consider it that private. and from your perspective or thinking about your users, is it your expectation that users feel once google has access to our information, we're giving up our privacy in it? does that third party doctrine make sense? >> yes, so, you know, we don't believe that the third party doctrine diminishes fourth amendment interests in the content. i think that's something we ought to hone in on

actually ruled that there was an expect -- that there was an expectation of privacy there in that location data. and i think that this is the sense that most people have. that it wouldn't be perhaps while you're walking in a public street, perhaps your conversation may be overheard or someone may see you. but most people have the expectation that that conversation isn't going to be recorded, it's not going to be stored indefinitely. that their image isn't going to be recorded stored indefinitely, that their location isn't going to be tracked from place to place on a regular basis. that that's the instinct that we have and that's what played out in the supreme court and what will play out in the law from here on out. >> we've got a tweet from a viewer. guest: well both have the capability to track a location and i think that is key here. if you have this sort of blanket surveillance network something similar to what we see in the u.k., they can easily track you within that surveillance network when you ave those. so there is this hook. there's also the hook about the conversation that is you hav

the decision to build a brand new data center from the ground up versus leverage the services of a pre-fabricated co-location center, that is already outfitted with all the heating and air-conditioning and cooling facility that we need -- power, electricity. after weighing the costs of such, it was an easy choice and the most cost-effective choice to seek out the services of a co location site for the city and county primary data center. our former datacenter -- we look at ways to properly renovate and upgrade the facility there. from a cost perspective, it was not a benefit to the city, and we did not think it was a very use of the city's taxpayers funds, so we felt that it was best to research a co-location facility in the city, and we're very pleased with our decision to go that route. because one, we did not have to -- we no longer had the responsibility of managing a facility. we could repurchase or repo august that, those efforts that we had with our staff performing those services before -- we could be purpose those folks into other areas of the organization, teaching them a new skill set. we no longe

it includes a computer aided dispatch system, an automatic vehicle location system, voice and data network for buses and light rail, messaging capability using new vehicle data terminals, data and reporting for performance analysis and incident management, the 700 megahertz project 25 voice radio which is the radio component of it, very small. and the new radio

it includes a computer aided dispatch system, an automatic vehicle location system, voice and data network for buses and light rail, messaging capability using new vehicle data terminals, data and reporting for performance analysis and incident management, the 700 megahertz project 25 voice radio which is the radio component of it, very small. and the new radio communications in the muni metro subway. the current system at mta is 30 years old. i believe that they are expecting the new system to be completed by 2015. and i am told that it has zero general fund impact. the primary funding for this system has been federal state and prop k grants. and 10 million funded through the mta's operating funds and revenue bonds. the next system is -- >> excuse me. before we go off into that, if i could ask a couple questions, perhaps to joe henry from the mta. so, i understand four years ago there was a discussion between -- this is before your time. there was a discussion between dem and sfmta to consolidate at least two of these systems together. i know there was an mou that was signed between the m

been cured. 19th avenue cross over drive are still some of the problem locations in terms of collisions. >> and similarly with data on areas like 19th avenue and how doubling the fines and other things impact that and also the red light cameras and intersections in the city and useful to know if that helped to reduce the number of collisions in those key intersections where we have the red light cameras and i know the department of public health always argues the reduction of speed limits saves lives and reduces collisions and i would like to know in school zones and 15 miles per hour at school times is effective if there is data from the mta in the future as well. >> in terms of the red light camera program we noticed decreases where we have used them. again there were multiple things we were doing at locations to improve them so sometimes it's combination of enforcement and engineering change. overall red light camera collisions are down significantly from where the program started so i would say we are going in the right direction and they decreased overall through enforcement and engineering and other measures

location. so access to the data base really isn't enough. >> right. juliette, why wouldn't an fbi official, if they're on this task force, walk down the hall and say by the way, we interviewed this person who live ins boss ton. just a heads up? >> that was what should happen. that was the creation his family was describing of these fusion centers. there's a whole apparatus and architecture that was created after 9/11 because of the lessons learned. so depending on how this particular story that the globe is reporting on unfolds, it is dismaying for this city to learn wa wait, there was an entity that knew that he was on some lisz. >> it's also drip and drap that this information seems to be leaking out from federal and local. why doesn't somebody with the information just put it all out there? >> i think each agency is trying to figure out what they did. so before that becomes a sort of one against the other, which is both unbecoming and unhealthful to learn any lessons from this, whether there's some entity to say everyone, let's figure out what the

data, put things together. we did things like added value, added certain locations. and i would love to be able to pull that back up to a shared community portal. from what i can tell it wasn't necessarily promoted at this time, but i think there is a lot of value in that. and shannon, interrupt me if i'm speaking -- if that's -- if i'm stating anything that's incorrect. you know, i know that they went through a special process. maybe we make it a little easier, a little more seamless so that anybody is pulling down data and doing things, they can't push it back up. that was one of the things we would love to see. >> probably shouldn't have been in public, but we were very naive about the whole process and we were actually trying to feed content locations around the city. and started to do this and started to think there must be a list out there. there must be a list of every park in san francisco. i would find it in wikipedia. we stumbled into the sf data website and started looking. it was unbelievable, actually. so, some of the data sets we really needed were alre

what we try to do when we do our enforcement, we use the comp data and where they are going and where it's happening and those locations and try to deploy our resources effectively and target those areas and times. >> pedestrians and bike accidents how are they in the mission relative to the rest of the city >> unfortunately i don't have that statistic relative to the rest of the city. we are a very busy and densely populated area. unfortunately we do see a fair amount of bicycle accidents. we probably see more of those than we do see pedestrian accidents in the mission. we have a lot of bicyclist, a lot of bike lanes. we try to do again targeted enforcement on the sneksz intersections where we see the accidents happen. we have citywide traffic enforcement where they identify those high priority intersection and we look at pedestrian accidents and bicycle accidents and put our officers out there on a monthly basis to target those locations and rotate them around. >> the sticks weren't included here but you exiled -- compiled them? >> yes. >> thank you for addressing that. mental health issues in the mission as with oth

they will report the gps data as well from your ski run. not the video but the location. you can take them home and plug them into a computer and see where you skied and data about  how fast you were going. bottom line, i do feel like i have glimpsed the future here. google doing the same with glasses. smith doing it with goggles. in this case, i don't think it is quite ready. it is one of those sorts of things where you say, hey, that's kind of cool for a little bit. then, after that, you say, wow, those were $650. five years from now -- remember that one time i talked about, everybody will have a head's up display. >> olympians, maybe they can-did shall. >> it is fun to see how fast you are going. it has lots of interesting data. watch for trees before checking your head's-up display. >> people, anything really. >> that would be interesting if you could see on a map, whoa, i was a little off course. >> that's kind of cool. it is interesting to watch. >> thank you very much. >>> in the meantime, $650 for another ski trip. let's get another check on weather. christina lor

various up palestinian sites israel knew about this exact locations have claimed that they are prepared for and they have according to their data they actually have employed at least five thousand i specialise in order to prevent the d.d. o. s. attacks of having an effect but it does seem like those preventative measure measures have actually somewhat failed now we do know of course that the palestinian hackers they have. the anonymous groups that they have promised not to stop just here and by all indications this seems to be just the beginning of their cyber warfare. we are the sons of palestinian people and we feel the pressure of the israeli occupation not only in gaza but also in all the arab and muslim world and as the first retaliation we committed to fast and full scale attack on israeli web sites to warn israel in all its supporters about the threat that hangs over them they have weapons and we have our own means as a result of this attack we receive the names of those who cooperate with israel the aim of the attack was to show the world the true face of israel and its armed forces and we coped with our task we failed

data bases. he then goes to a location in russia that is a hot bed for islamic extremism, comes home and starts postingideos on the web of a radicalizer, a radical -- a person who is known to make bombs and kill people. when you think about that, how were the dots not connected? >> yeah, well, when you string that all together, it's obvious that dots were connected. i want to be absolutely certain, i am not stating or confirming about the conversations with the cia. we haven't got that far yet. i can't confirm to you that the russians did once in the spring send the communication to u.s. authorities and again in the fall essentially the same information. they were asked to expand on that. they were asked for the factual basis for it. and that wasn't forthcoming. i'm sure not because they were hiding it but for the same reasons we do things here and that is there are thousands of people involved in these things. >> hindsight is 20/20. you wonder why this person had already been looked into this much they come back and start posting the videos and nobody notices. that is what is terrifying. >> clearly. b

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>> i think it is important when you think of data centers, operating to have a concentration near the corporate headquarters location to distribute the cloud computing capability all over the world. we are in an organization of multiple data centers, connecting organizations to consumers in every corner of the world so ultimately cloud computing companies end up being very distributed. dennis: the cloud battle already over? wilwill it go to the big tech fs like amazon and google and ibm will go to the specialized firms in the cloud little more upstarts like exacttarget? >> we believe we are in the early innings of cloud services. it is growing very quickly and levels the playing field. large organizations have the same tools as smaller organizations, and the cloud is fueling an enormous amount of innovation and entrepreneurship. i really think cloud computing is a great normalizer localizing the playing field allowing smaller companies to compete against the largest organizations in the world. dennis: outthink the two biggest obstacles are not technological, just worries about security and a company convincing its o

future what we're having coming forward is taxi data access system where we're going to offer the [speaker not understood] license developers to all taxi locations and electronically hail taxis in san francisco. all of us are very excited about that in term of making it easier for us to get around the city. also providing automatic passenger counter information to folks, additional information on transit vehicle and also bicycle information. one other area that we're working on that i know is of great interest to supervisor chiu and others is the information in terms of temporary closures of streets and temporary street closures, but also the ongoing street closures. i understand that's a very urgent area that has been? some delays on that, but we put it a number of times recently in mapping the processes and are hoping to put both the static information in terms of ongoing closures, but also the temporary closure data out mid to late summer as well. so, we do -- i don't want to under estimate the challenges internally associated with that, but we're putting a great deal of effort into that as well. just want to give you a brief summary of activ

location. they willg et the contract because of the preference points. dataint eh analysis work where you see pairs of companies. there was a company that got over a dozen stimulus' context. they subtracted about 90 sect -- about 90% of the work to accompany two blocks away, which was not a disabled veteran. it is companies going to companies. it is more or less fraud. it cannot be taking place but it happened pretty frequently. that is what a pass through is. it acts -- it adds an extra layer of overhead. there are several reasons why contracts seem more expensive than they need to be. is of the reasons is there overhead at to many different stages. it is going through three or four different countries -- three or four different companies. host: let us go to iowa on our independent line. john, you are on with luke rosiak. caller: the much for taking my call. guestwondering if your could comment on the amount of money spent annually on military contractors. i think what people would be surprised to know that we have more private contractors that we do actual

when you uphold the data, you can have the information here, all the calls that we have in, but you still have to know who is the driver closest to that location so you will still have them on gps or smart phone. that is my personal hangup. i would making it harder for ourselves? should you be an easier application? when i log on, i am such and such and identify where you are. the reason support this is the fact that when you look at taxi magic and all the applications out there yes we have those but the problem is we still lost market share. how do we regain market share? you fight fire with fire, that is why i support it. >> i want to thank director -- for all your hard work and i agree with what director lee said, we are going to compete with the models out there; we have to be up with the times and technology. i have the taxi magic app, i have used it. when i was waiting for my cab i saw a desoto cab, i could have abandoned the taxi magic all. the reality is that we have to evolve with technology and with the handset. that being said, i support this and happy to move forward. >> chairman nolan: is there a motion on the amended resolution?

location may no other information about you. do you think that people are going to be surprised when they find out how often their data is changing hands here. well i think a lot of people in the world are not aware of the power of technology what they're not aware of is how is it that they get relevant advertising sent directly to them on something they're actually interested in buying and a lot of that happens from the data that's collected the third party that is shared with so initially i think absolutely if somebody makes a request and says i want to know what happened in the last twelve months they may be looking and saying oh wow i did not know that and at some point people will get used to that concept and realize that the companies have already been telling you that they're collecting information and that they're sharing it in their privacy policies which california was the one of the first states to actually require that on their websites and have the posted and easily accessible and now what they're saying is not only do you have to have a privacy policy you have to disclose what you're collecting who you're sharing it

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looking for, then you unlock the location at which the suspect may have been seen, where he went, where he was before. you can further direct yourself through immense amount of data. >> exactly right. and that's the beauty of all of this. and the expertise that has all come together to try to find out what has been going on is there are all of these to go for. it's not just your garden variety crime not just because of the magnitude of it but because it had so many witnesses. they may not have realized at the time what they were witnessing. >> this is from our nbc hot file. authorities investigating the boston marathon bombing have developed some, quote, solid leads, and identified hundreds of people who they are interested in talking with. they are not prepared to characterize those individuals as suspects or witnesses at this time. it is simply too soon to tell. we are zeroing in on some people. they are telling nbc they are focused on video taken in the area closest to the blast. that's senior officials in boston. they also tell us that the team of investigators on the ground is making solid progress and that the forensic exploitation of the bomb fragments is

, phones are 3 g capable, they just don't make data available for the population, they have 3-d television, they have unfiltered internet in some locations, it is kind of the ultimate example of digital corruption in the sense that there actually is a lot that is technological impossible it is all hogged but the unelected few. >> and i am under the impression that several years ago it was a deaf tone if you would call with a cellphone. >> that is correct, in fact there was there was about a million mobile phones and part is to fit the government to turn on the power signal and this would connect the people there, we can't tell if they are going to but they were very opaque in their answers to us, they listened, and they clearly heard what we said, but whether they are going to do it, i don't know. if you are a dictator with that kind of thought control, would you take a risk that you would expose people to information that would ultimately get you thrown over? it is a key question for them. >> and they did seem aware though as they open up, for every cellphone that is added into this already tiny ecosystem you can't go backwards after th