the question is where physically locationwise do they consider off the grid to be? >> sure. >> so, there are lot of places where it is legal to camp for 14 days for free. i'm not going blow up people's favorite secret camping spots in front of this large crowd for you. i apologize. there's a lot of self-camping going on,-under or ban parking and people are trying avoid the knock and be as low profile as possible but we are seeing a terrifying way of increasing criminalization of homelessness, in air quotes, people being told they can't sleep in their cars. in mind to tell somebody here is a parking spot, your car is welcome but not if you're there is a scary indictment our val views that say we value cars over people. in parks rangers say prove that you live the addressee your domiciled you must be homeless and you're making the forest your home, get out, you're not entitled to the 14 days anyone else would get. so i think there are lot of ways people go off the grid but a lot of these sites and means have a lot more pressure on them than they have in the past. >> o