and the second near death-- >> the experience of the lockerbie flight, the-- >> the lockerbie flight, yes. so me and my wife, nora, we were booked on the-- the panam lockerbie flight and but for my missus being really slow and unable to pack a suitcase in time, we decided to change the flight, but we didn't tell any of our friends and relatives. and so everybody presumed we were dead. and that was-- a terrifically-- emotional phone call, when my brother f-- finally rang through, just in the hope we might not have made it, (sigh) and to be told all that. and so it's-- it's quite bad. the-- a disease can-- can take your life away, but another human being, misguided though they are, can also take your life away. and-- and you innocently enough have not asked for any of this. and so there is life. for me, life is the most precious thing i have. everything about m-- human beings, m-- my peoples, i loves ya. and i cannot comprehend war, hate, kill, and destruction. >> here's what i w-- >> for me, a political hero is gandhi. passive resistance. this i fully comprehend. >> which might sound a