but we're using the lodgic that we learned underlying it. we are making equations in our heads by sort of thinking about understanding the difference of causal relationships being able to compare and see what factor is missing and how we're thinking about something. and that's the way you learn that. you learn a certain kind of lodgic by all of the jushed lying mats matics. and we sort of have what is called an unnatural suppression of that. we don't understand it, we don't make those connections for kids. caller: good morning. i'm a first-time caller and glad for c-span. i am a person in the technological field, in between jobs thanks to all the wonderful layoffs. i started out believe it or not when i graduated from college i got a master's in music which most people say is the most yules skill at this point because it's very difficult to make a living at it. i went back to school and went back to an associate's degree and i got it in elect ronics and worked my way into computer systems here. and i work in it. and i'm taking certification