schwab, the fairweather foundation, the tepper foundation, the margaret and daniel loeb foundation, the asness family foundation, jeffrey and lisa bewkes, the beth and ravenel curry foundation, peter and mary kalikow and by craig newmark philanthropies, the rosalind p. walter foundation, damon button, the center for the study of the international economy in the pritzker military foundation on behalf of the pritzker military museum and library and the mark haas foundation. corporate funding is provided by stephens inc. - ellie honig, welcome to "firing line." - thank you for having me. - you are a former federal prosecutor and you are a contributor at cnn where i am also a contributor. we are no longer a nation, as you've written yourself, that has never sought to imprison its former chief executive. you'vealled this moment both solemn and inevitable. - yeah. - how is it both? - well, it's solemn and i would add surreal. we've managed to go 230 years as a constitutional democracy without ever seeking to lock up a current or former chief executive and there's a lot of reasons for that. bu

up here, the group broke up into three each group one with some folks some of them stayed here at loeb's retreat with this telescope. some went to northern arizona university, their telescope, and then others went to the us naval observatory, flagstaff station, located about four miles from here. so those three different groups using, those three different telescopes, the astronauts each looked through the telescope to see the moon and where they would be going. so in one day they could see what an actual impact crater looks like, how impact craters are depicted on maps and what they what moon's impact craters actually looked like. so the upshot that that first trip was very successful. nasa realized the value of training the astronauts to do geology and. all the future groups of astronauts who went to the moon came here to flagstaff to train. we're now out in the field where several miles from downtown flagstaff. not very far from sunset crater, which was a volcanic feature that erupted tens of thousands of years ago. so this entire field we're on our cinders from that explosion when th

loeb says the information is credible, but he needs something concrete. >> we have seen the evidence the data that supports the claim that some craft there an alien civilization was identified, we can't really tell. and without the evidence, any claim is not worth much. >> reporter: per policy, the intelligence community inspector general will not comment on the allegation, nor will the i.g. confirm there was a complaint. the house held a hearing last year on ufos. lawmakers received a commitment from the pentagon that they would take reports of unidentified aerial phenomena seriously. >> that's why there are laws in place to protect whistleblowerses, ask one of the purposes of the committee that i serve on and the hearing that i held, the first hearing anything 50 years, was to encourage folks in the i.c. and outside of the intel community to come forward with their stories. >> reporter: congress approved language in last year's defense policy bill requiring investigations of uaps. previously, lawmakers say the militaries missed ufo reports as kooky. liz? liz: well, harvard medical

has, of course, gone on to do huge, huge things, including being investigated of team that won the loeb awards for international reporting for a series exposing the chinese government pioneering embrace of digital surveillance. he is also the recipient of the dan balz medal given to investigative journalists who have exhibited courage in standing up against intimidation and i'd love to ask about that a little bit more in a second. liesel lin is a has been covering data use and privacy for the journal from singapore and she was also part of the team that won the globe in 2018. and prior to that, liza's spent nine years at bloomberg news and television too as well. so welcome both of you to this talk. maybe i'll just start first by asking you guys about the how things have changed, because when the time when josh and i were both reporting in china, we're talking back india your 2000 to early station was a very different time. yes. we as foreign reporters, we were surveilled. we were aware that most were being watched. but at the same time, there was a deep awareness at that time that a fe