okay, a couple of things here, first of all, the young mother in loganville, georgia, he was just talkingsimple revolver against an intruder. a revolver that held only six bullets. she didn't need seven or more than seven. her bullets hit the intruder in the neck, face and torso, producing four exit wounds. so she is not the case to use to prove why you need more than seven bullets in your gun. and if you, mr. katz, really are leaving your wife and three daughters in a place where they will not be safe without a gun that fires more than seven bullets, then you should not be leaving them there. you shouldn't be going to albany to give stupid speeches in opposition to bills that are going to pass, no matter what you say. how can you possibly be risking the lives of your wife and children in order to stand in front of that microphone in albany, and say those things that have absolutely no effect on this outcome of the legislation being considered. how can you do that? >> what a horribly responsible thing to do as a husband and a father. or, you are in fact, a responsible husband and father.

but what is striking, this happened toward loganville, nevada, two hours north of las vegas. pretty little town. it's like where they do clorox commercial, not a large population. they go to this -- like a 7-eleven and they in the early morning -- this is the son and the uncle -- and they have something to drink. they get some sodas and goodies. they lie in wait for the victim to come out. they follow him and shoot through the window and they shoot the guy and shoot him in the neck. they don't kill him and he lives. >> is this -- is this man-- the mother-- the wife or the guy who was shot -- is she the natural mother of the adopted son of the husband? >> yes. i talked to -- i talked to his lawyer today because there was a pending divorce action, greta, in november of this past year. and i asked him, it's unclear in the report. and he said that amy, the mother, is the biological mother of this son, michael who, they are alleging there is an affair with because there are horrible things about groping one another, thins like that. and this victim adopted this young man. they wer

let's talk about a real world incident that happened in loganville, georgia in january 2012. one bullet in the hands of a mentally ill person or a convicted felon is one too many. six bullets in the hands of a mother protecting her twin 9 year-olds may not be enough. so i have a chart here. at the top is the 38 revolver. on the right is a 9 millimeter pistol. that holds 15 rounds. does everyone on the panel agree that a convicted felon should not have either one of those guns? does everybody agree that a mentally unstable person should not have either one of those pistols? ok, common ground there. put yourself in the shoes of the mother. a guy broke into the home, she ran upstairs, hid in the closet, she got on the phone with police, and she was talking with her husband in real time. the intruder broke into the home, had a crowbar, and found them in a closet. they were confronted face-to- face. according to reports, her husband said shoot. she emptied the gun, six shot revolver. the guy was hit five of the six times. he was able to still get up and drive away. my question is,

. >> away at work, donny herman calls 911 with his wife at home in loganville, georgia, with their tworom a daytime intruder. he hears everything over the phone when the intruder confronts him. >> shoot him again, oh, no. >> herman's wife was armed with a .38 cal caliber. she fired all six shot, hitting the intruder five times. >> if she had not had that firearm, what do you think would have happened? >> i can speculate all day long. >> sheriff joe chaplain believes the mother had no chase and in defending herself and her children, acted properly. >> had it not turned out the way that it did, i possibly would be working a triple homicide not having a clue of what it is we're looking for. >> the suspect broke in with a you bar. he still managed to flee after being shot, driving off the road a short distance away. d donny herman told wsb his wife and children were unharmed. >> mi wife is hero. she protected her kids. she did what she was supposed to do as a responsible, prepared gun owner. >> we asked to speak to the couple, but now, less than a week after the incident, they're trying to

let's talk about a real world incident that happened in loganville, georgia in january 2012. one bullet in the hands of a mentally ill person or a convicted felon is one too many. six bullets in the hands of a mother protecting her twin 9 year-olds may not be enough. so i have a chart here. at the top is the 38 revolver. on the right is a 9 millimeter pistol. that holds 15 rounds. does everyone on the panel agree that a convicted felon should not have either one of those -- so i have a chart here. at the top as the 38 revolver. on the right is a 9 millimeter pistol that holds 15 rounds. does everybody on the panel agreed that a convicted felon should not have either one of those guns? does everybody agree that a mentally unstable person should not have either one of those pistols? ok, common ground there. put yourself in the shoes of the mother. a guy broke into the home, she ran upstairs, hid in the closet, she got on the phone with police, and she was talking with her husband in real time. the intruder broke into the home, had a crowbar, and found them in a closet. they wer