the second hearing focused on the multibillion-dollar logcap 3. commissioners and staff had made two trips to afghanistan afghanistan to inspect worksites, review documents, conduct interviews and receive briefings from officials on the ground. the first trip took place in early december 08 with an itinerary that included agency briefings them baghdad anka bolles wallace reduce the construction of the baghdad police college in reconstruction -- for construction and repair of the bagram airbase in afghanistan. a-10 the investigative study in 2009 comprised of a 15 person group of commissioners and staff that broke into three teams. one team or deny iraq and the other two and afghanistan. they conducted more than 125 meetings, usaid, the military contractors working on a range of projects. the commission continues to develop a test for research and investigation to extend and deepen its knowledge and to cope with new change in issues. our plans include many more trips to theaters of operation, additional hearings and by the additional hearings and b

identify reasons for the slow transition from logcap 324.unders security examined the sufficiency of current or crippen processes, background checks and training to insure that employment a possible psc personnel, a private security personnel. examine the potential use of civilian employees of the departments of defense and state in lieu of contract personnel and security roles including the use of temporary appointments and reserve components. under reconstruction, valley with the effectiveness of combat the building reconstruction projects and determine the extent to which stakeholder collaboration is an integral part of the acquisition planning, contract performance and project sustainability. ss the feasibility of establishing an interdepartmental entity for planning and coordination reconstruction projects in contingency operations. let me just end by talking about a few activities of full description of the commission's milestones in the report, appendix thee. in brief the commission members when named by july 2008. the commission sele

for example on the logcap program its dollar for dollar. all of the sub contracts are fixed-price so the prime gets a dollar for dollar on a fixed price and all of their labor, but it's fixed price, so it kind of begs the question how good of a job is being done with that? there are four firms involved with that. what kind of data analysis and records are we going to be evaluating? that is the frustration in the report and the obligation of the prime contractor but we are going to get the prime contractor system to make sure they are fulfilling their contractual oigations. >> let's also look at the in-house versus contractor approach. once upon a time there were mess sergeants so the question is whether ultimately that would have been a better deal for the taxpayer to go the traditional route, turn up the soldiers' salaries if necessary. similarly, are there rules of thumb he vaulting or maybe already existing in terms of the amount of contacting oversight per dollar spent, you know, there is a rule of thumb you want one person on the groun

type of work that was bid in kuwait using logcap three had@@r . . recommendations, what we're we have a challenge on believe and that this when we go away, have we come up with procedures to permanent which would encourage follow-up? all of you have seen dozens and dozens and dozens of studies as i have with some very valid recommendations that collect dust. so one of the challenges we have, and a challenge you might have is how do we force some of these action all recommendations for word as we turn now the lights? and that is a problem that we face or a challenge that we face which is not much different than every other commission and oversight organization. >> i think if you have hit right on. the three of us now if i look at the example collectively own riding on this so we are going to rely on the commission to give some direction at least which is when you think ought to be done. whose responsibility would it be to follow, the executive for the department or congress or whatever and it is going to come upon us to work with you to put the legis

can you cite specific examples of services that can be provided under a different contractor under logcap and why you believe switching contractors might be able to yield better results? >> yes, the way that the contract is structured now is every task order now is theoretically supposed to be did out and evaluated for those three contractors, dyncorp, fluor and kbr. the early results or that is a very good thing for the government in terms of price and cost, the competition. those are the three organizations. that is a long-running contract also. the problem is 90 plus% of the charges are with the old contract which is the supplier and one of our emphasis -- and i will point out to think it was general odierno identified the same issue which is get on with the competition part of logcap-4. lots of planning and effort and it isn't happening the extent it should. >> thank you. the pace of withdrawal nye wire rack you mentioned some of the challenges that presents us with. what are some of those challenges on the rapid pace of withdrawal? somebody else want to take that? >> sure. i think th

think it was general odierno identified the same issue which is get on with the competition part of logcap-4. lots of planning and effort and it isn't happening the extent it should. >> thank you. the pace of withdrawal nye wire rack you mentioned some of the challenges that presents us with. what are some of those challenges on the rapid pace of withdrawal? somebody else want to take that? >> sure. i think that there are a number of factors and centcom is planning for this whether they have done enough planning, whether that planning is moving at a pace that's going to accommodate the downsizing and the ramp up we don't know yet. >> but specifically what opportunities are there for abuse or fraud or waste with rapid withdrawal? >> i think as the troops are withdrawing from iraq as an example, we are probably going to have to rely on contractors to remain there to close down the bases or pass them on to the iraqi east. and one difficulty that was brought to our attention for example just shows lack of planning and for thought on this is they pulled out the air conditioning units in buildin