it would be a logical contradiction if it didn't happen. so this is actually a logical entailment of god's willing of the existence of the universe and that is not a cause. that is a logical reason and so if we want to argue from the causes in the world to the first cause, you are arguing that god doesn't exist. you are arguing that there is a first cause instead of god. >so what you are saying is that there is a logical contradiction between god being omnipotent and god being a first cause? >>that is correct. >because if a god is omnipotent, the world is a logical necessity and is not caused. and if you have a first cause, you have now proved that that kind of god doesn't exist. is that right? >>if the cosmological argument proves that god doesn't exist, assuming the cosmological argument is sound, that there must be some other cause that is not god. >which means that god doesn't exist. >>yeah, i think that would be a fair way to put it. >how about the cosmological argument needing a first cause? >>i would say that the universe, regardless

. >> you don't have logic. >> yeah, right. >> where is your logic? >> cathy, get off my phone. get off my phone, you little pinhead! bill: why did glenn beck get emotional on the phone over health care? >> get off the phone! bill: he will be here to tell us. ♪ you can ring my bell ♪ ring my bell ♪ my bell. bill: and you will not believe it. the state of rhode island says children can strip for money even on school nights. is it legal has been investigating. caution, you are about to enter the no spin zone. the factor begins right now. [captioning made possible by fox news channel] captioned by the national captioning institute --www.ncicap.org-- bill: i'm bill o'reilly. thank you for watching us tonight. the collapse of the president's health care plan. that is the subject of the memo. the "wall street journal" says quote: bill the folks are catching on as well. according to the latest gallup u.s.a. poll americans now disprove of the way obama is handling health care 50% to 49%. 59% say the president is spending too much money. 52% oppose his expansion of the government. things

not be discussed if we are talking about harry potter parallels here because there's all sorts of logics that t. cost on this pathway that we don't like to talk about. so one is a personal savings issue. .. going quicker and quicker so they have the counter samper devices that use acoustics and lasers to sniper shoots the unit, it immediately point said the unit comeuppance a laser beam target on the sniper said. if you don't react quick enough the guy goes back down so you lost an opportunity so technically is easy to put a laser on the, one of the gun as well, another logical path when that gets you there so the point is to get each of these logical pathways that take you down this final frontier of army and that leads to the other part of your question of which is what makes ethical now and that is actually one of the parts of the debate i want to put out there. we really should debate whether it is or not in the circumstances that make ethical are not and that's not just things like the loss of robotics like isaac asimov but who should be able to control them, is a predator drawn onl

another logical path we that gets you there so the point is you get each of these logical pathways that take you down this final frontier of arming and that leads to the other part of the question which is what makes it ethical now and that is one of the parts of the debate i want to put out there is that we should debate with its ethical or not and what are the circumstances that make it ethical or not and that's not just things like the laws of the robotics like a asimov. to lead, the department of homeland security has six of them. how about is it something the federal government or local police departments, should they have the systems? too late, the lead police department is purchasing its own. atlanta, one private citizen had his own ground robot arm to. these are weird from to your questions but they are already upon us and that is the kind of debate we need to have because you can't make moral machines. borelli is something about the people. you can program your machines but you can't make themselves more or ethical. it has to come from us. other questions or comments? >> timoth

process" or "equal protection" or "the right to bear arms" and decide if you think hard enough and logically enough what that means without importing any other values. that's just, i think, a misunderstanding of how law works. >> when thurgood marshall retired, the number of the justices went out of their way to point out how important it was this experience that he could bring. and she clearly will be able to... they don't know what it's like to live in the projects. they don't know what it's like to be poor. so it's not just that she's the first hispanic. >> rose: we conclude this evening with national security and new reports on bush administration security programs by talking to scott shane of the "new york times" and jane mayer of the "new yorker" magazine. >> he knows... he may be remembered as the president who did or did not reform health care. he'll never be remembered as the guy who, you know, found out that k.s.m. was waterboarded 183 times under his predecessor. so he wants to get congress focused on his own programs and he's also worried about alienating the republicans, some of

relationship, there is a flaw in the logic. we have a new leader, who is president obama, who is ready to adjust some policies from the previous administration. in moscow, we do not have a new leader. we essentially have the same leadership that we had before. to take that further, i don't think we should have any illusions about where decision authority lies in russia today. mr. obama has to operate under the assumption on any issue important you to him, the russian archer is vladimir putin. it doesn't mean that this is a waste of time. any position taken by the deathe russian president is also vladimir putin. the president should harbor no illusions that the united states or he in particular can take measures in moscow to empower the russian president. i think this has to do the optics of the meeting. the most important trip will be his discussions with vladimir putin. he is the most important and powerful figure in russia. i see that he has a one hour meeting with putin, then he is leaving to go meet with mr. gorbachev. i wo

if you follow the train of logic, you accept the logic or you don't. some will say nothing would have happened to the financial system and i can't satisfy those people. >> yes and i'm with you, mr. secretary. there was a crisis and i understand where you and i federal reserve chairman were coming from. i guess we were trying to understand -- my time is up, madam chairman. i hope i have the opportunity to return to questions regarding the terms, conditions of the agreement to go forward with t.a.r.p. money. thank you. >> i thank the gentlemen. >> thank you, madam chair misdemeanor and mr. secretary. following up on mr. mchenry's questions about tim geithner's involvement, you said you kept him informed when he was nominated. we have notes from joe price who is a chief financial officer for bank of america basically chronicling the conversation you had with chairman lewis and yourself. and in those do you means he said fire bod, if you do it, irresponsible for country, board of directors. tim g agrees. did you ever invoke tim geithner's name or suggest h

there is a logic flaw. this is happening in france and the restaurant owners there who are, just saw their vat removed, they say we should be firing. the tax cuts are not going to create international tourism or business. to mat's point, if you cut taxes on the individual we are in a hoarding mentality and there is a shift. all that money will go in the bank, into the referend401-k. >> you make a great point but hoarding is part of the psychological reason is people are afraid. if you start to put more money in their pocket and take away the fear you would think they would spend some of it. >> i think that the headlines every day we wake up or read the newspaper about the next fee, the next potential tax, this administration is trying trial balloons about that tax, taxing on healthcare benefits and people feel that psychologically. for me i believe in the bic picture. you want the big proof? in my hand is from the 1970's tax schedule. reagan came in, knocked the heck out of it and then unlocked the potentia

he also made clear that the fight about the future of the country in that id logical fight he stands with mahmoud ahmadinejad and not the other icon of islamic republic. he made clear that in the months and years to come, it is really his office that will be the last standing against compromise with popular sentiments for less austere political systems. in one quick step, in effect it made mahmoud ahmadinejad look very small and insignificant in comparison to the titans who are fighting for the future of the country. now we will probably never know what led mr. khomeni, ases the -- as it is said in persian, most politically polarizing in a political figure, and as i said, it is significant that in this friday prayer, he went farther than he really needed to go and not only did he threaten violence but also revealed that the deep id logical features that have myered the islamic republic but revealed that his office as mandated by the constitution is not the -- but partisan fueling instead of dampening, inciting schisms rather than alleviating them. of course this is something that man

the reflexive is the -- reflective is the logical. the one that shays don't eat that chocolate cake, versus the reflexive whiches the human instinct that works so well. the fight or flight that says, chocolate cake, good. so market going up? good. got to get in market going down? bad. i'm losing my nest egg. want to panic and sell. ... >> it did not work any more. my dad to i love dearly, he called me and told me i am a contrarian i am following the dogs of the dow. when you do something that everyone is doing are you a contrarian? or are you following the fad? it is easy to call ourselves contrarian but the only true way is to rebalance. when stocks go down you have to buy some more. when stocks go up, i guess what? you have to sell. it goes against every human instinct. my wife patti you is in the audience kevin and i used to play board games. we used to have different methods to see you would go first broke i am with those guys you have to teach a life lesson you cannot always go first. usually lost that argument. [laughter] that k

. >> i'm asking you a logical question and -- >> i'm giving you a logical answer. >> you don't have logic you people bring up costs, you don't care about the trillions of dollars to bail out the banks and all the credit card companies. >> kathy, get off my phone! get off my phone, you little pinhead! >> wow. so are the political attacks, is the language, is the discourse going too far and does it have real consequences? we will take up that issue coming up in our next hour right here on msnbc. >> imagine if we talked to our viewers like that. >> wow. >> get off -- all right. we're waiting on the president to come out. he is expected to talk about health care reform, where the talks are right now. we're paying particular attention to the president's tone in that some of the behind-the-scenes arm twisting certainly getting intense. we'll bring you president obama's remarks as soon as he steps up to the mike. to connect the world. airplanes that fly cleaner and farther on less fuel. and make nonstop travel possible to more places. announcer: around the globe, the people of boeing are working

there's a major gap in terms of logic flow there. >> i think she might have skipped a step.ou can probably say, well, the american press would not be possible were it not for the defense being put up by the military and that has been said for years. of course that she was speaking off the cuff and that might not have come across because it was a big crowd. i think she's in good shape. but in terms of logic, there are plenty of politicians we see every day saying ridiculous things. >> very true. i want to play what she said, you heard norah mention it, her take on hollywood. >> stiffen your spine to do what's right for alaska when the pressure mounts because you're going to see antihunting, anti second amendmentment cir s circuses from hollywood. they use these tiny, talented starlets. they use alaska for that second amendment causes. >> i know there are large portions of the american population who feel strongly about their right to take guns into the woods and hunt. it's a long-cherished tradition in a lot of american families to do so. >> i think this is clearly an example

>> this is like one of those logic puzzles.w, i am lying now, but you can't be lying, you must be telling the truth. it's a ridiculous position, i think, that is being taken here by liz cheney and one supposes, by dick cheney, although he's been talking about everything else, he doesn't seem to want to talk about this incident himself. but the thing that drives me a bit nuts about this whole thing is the way that cheney and rove are creating the impression that the minute you brief the intelligence committees as required by law, everything that you tell them automatically leaks. that, obviously, is not the case. it is simply not true. and they're creating some impression to justify what seemed to be an egregious violation of the statute in this case, which was to brief congress on intelligence activities the way the law requires. >> and the house intelligence committee according to the associated press today asked the cia for documents, which would pave the way to investigate both exactly what this program was and how it was, i

we're using the same logic we're used to. the logic we all grew up with.'m going to talk about green energy, health care and best of all all these bills but i'm going to do it in a new context. here is one thing tonight. everything that is getting pushed through congress including this health care bill are trance forming america and they are all driven by president obama's thinking on one idea. reparations. before you say anything, he is against reparations. he himself said so. he said that, but what the media didn report on conveniently during the election ignores the reason why he is against reparations. as i warned before the election, he doesn't think that reparations would go far enough. quote, i fear that reparations would be an excuse for some to say we've paid our debt and to avoid the much harder work. so we could never pay the debt, 360,000 in the civil war, that wasn't enough? i forgot about this and we were talking about some story on this program. i think was about school and it reminded me and i said wait a minute. it ties everything together

they really don't think logically. that's why he's made a lot of mistakes.f emotion. so he sort of was emotionally plotting how he was going to go about this, throughout that block of time. >> when there's other evidence, when we talk about a part of it, his fake plot. he set up home surveillance to keep everybody safe. the surveillance caught him leaving the house at 5:43 a.m. he's first called to his house to check on everybody was one minute later. he called three other times after that, knowing full well everybody was dead. there's latex gloves that was found on the road as evidence. latex gloves similar -- similar to those found to his office that he had access to. red paint, a receipt for that, tied to him at home depot. it continues to add up. real quick to you, nicholas. did his wife know he wanted a divorce? or was she -- blindsided is putting it mildly. >> police say now she had talked with her friends that the marriage was having problems, that he had said he was wanting a divorce. at least a couple months before the murders, she knew that there w

to follow your logic there. on the economy, he's now below the water line. he's below 49%.e a look and go ahead as well. 49% on the economy. look at health care. down to -- well, health care is even lower. people das prove more than they approve. >> that's right. it's upside down. >> that health care number driving the overall job approval down? >> it's hard to sit there and not say that. because this is all he's been talking about the last three weeks. what i've also found interesting in this, i'm glad we're presenting health care and the economy together, is the more he's talked about health care, the more, frankly whether -- i don't know if it's people are conditi confused or more skeptical, but as we've seen a sort of reaction with, hey, by the way, the economy still stinks, guys. we still feel like the worst isn't over. and the numbers of people saying jobs and the economy are the most important issue have gone up. and yet, spent the last -- it's almost as if the people don't say this. but the impression they're leaving is, okay, while you're talking about health care,

. >> it's not logical, and i thought it was captivating when you watched the president yesterday make those comments in rebuttal to senator jim demint where he suggested this is the president's waterloo, and he said this is not about me, this isn't about politics. well, wait a second. it's not about politics. then why does this bill have to be on your desk in two weeks. sean: because he senses -- i'll tell you why, and i'll answer your own question. because you're great at asking questions. because the answer is he senses that his political capital that the honeymoon is ending, and this may be his last chance, and this is the problem. the longer people analyze this bill, the longer they realize taxes are going to go up, that rationen is a part of what our health care system -- now will -- have in it, most americans are going to be forced into the government system, they're not going to be able to keep these promises are false just like the stimulus promises were false. >> and that's the problem. they've got the president out a little too often making promises that he can't necessarily

it just seems logical that he would want to give people a choice between medicaid -- or the exchange. this seems reasonable to me. >> one purpose of this exercise -- is to try to cover americans with no health insurance. in medicaid, you are covered. i also think about the people with disabilities, who qualify for title 19, and there are provisions in medicaid that provide certain supportive services for people with disabilities, and the private insurance companies probably would not do this. i understand that the senator from new hampshire -- he is wanting people to have a choice. the insurance companies would go after the health insurance people -- they would send them nice little fliers to say that you can come into this company, into this private insurance because you have no pre- existing conditions and you have no disabilities. and then you leave everybody else -- with the most severe illness and disability, in title 19. what we are trying to do is cover people with no insurance coverage. we are covering that. we're talking about covering the breed that -- -- -- pre-existing con

you do the logical things, you bring two blogs to start the protest and we've bribed them with smartose don't look like handmade signs. it looked like an organized.... >> this guy right here is part of the protest and the two women who have professional art department in their houses. it's one of those things, this will get the community fired up. >> glenn: he may be crazy or really angry with you. i'm not sure. >> i think we've got something going on, good relationship and understanding the issues the same way. i think the most important thing we're worried about right now, if we get protested. if we get protested, this would be the history's first protest of a protestor protesting someone who isn't protesting enough. if you think about it in that context, it's historic. >> glenn: enough said. thank you very much. >>>

, and -- very logical. >> eric: you raise a point, caroline shivley talked about the august recess and rahm emanuel, chief of staff says the august recess is an opportunity tor peril, and opportunity, because, what will happen is you are back in your home district. the congress people, they are going back home and they'll be hearing it from the constituents over the next month, and do you think that will help or hurt the president's plan? >> well, i think it is clearly going to help in terms of informing the overall membership of the congress as to what the public expects, he'ding the voice of the people in a democracy is what it is supposed to be about and i wouldn't consider talking to constituents a problem, and one of the fund message things is congressmen don't represent washington to their districts and they represent districts to washington and when we find out what is on their mind we need to try and implement it in a pos health care reform for the american people. >> eric: guys like you men and women will go back and hear, probably a lot of negative stuff potentially from cons

but by that stupid logic you shouldn't frequent hookers either. >> i don't agree with you.t good and kissing seals is not good. >> greg: you are talking to a whoremonger right now. >> bill, you said you love aquariums. for the last time you weren't at the aquarium and that wasn't a jelly fish you creepy little pan sexual dilitante. >> had nothing to do with the trip to whereever i was. >> earlier in the show you talked about back when you were single and then said in this story you still think about your fourth grade teacher miss simmons from time to time. i'm guessing after this show you will be single. >> greg: check out the jelly fish. >> remy, you were upset that the other girls in the class would be upset that the teacher didn't marry him. that is not fair, he married the one girl because she proposed to him. >> she had a lot of guts, that is for sure. i'm pointing out a different part of the story that people probably weren't thinking about that it probably had an effect on one of the kids. >> one of the typical lawyer lies. >> i'm feeling hostility today. >> he was i

we're using the same logic we're used to. the logic we all grew up with. i'm going to talk about green energy, health care and best of all all these bills but i'm going to do it in a new context. here is one thing tonight. everything that is getting pushed through congress including this health care bill are trance forming america and they are all driven by president obama's thinking on one idea. reparations. before you say anything, he is against reparations. he himself said so. he said that, but what the media didn't report on conveniently during the election ignores the reason why he is against reparations. as i warned before the election, he doesn't think that reparations would go far enough. quote, i fear that reparations would be an excuse for some to say we've paid our debt and to avoid the much harder work. so we could never pay the debt, 360,000 in the civil war, that wasn't enough? i forgot about this and we were talking about some story on this program. i think was about school and it reminded me and i said wait a minute. it ties everything toge

you do the logical things, you bring two blogs to start the protest and we've bribed them with smartood, they are going pay the protestors. >> glenn: those don't look like handmade signs. it looked like an organized.... >> this guy right here is part of the protest and the two women who have professional art department in their houses. it's one of those things, this will get the community fired up. >> glenn: he may be crazy or really angry with you. i'm not sure. >> i think we've got something going on, good relationship and understanding the issues the same way. i think the most important thing we're worried about right now, if we get protested. if we get protested, this would be the history's first protest of a protestor protesting someone who isn't protesting enough. if you think about it in that context, it's historic. >> glenn: enough said. thank you very much. >>> more commentary on

. >> you don't have logic! >> you're right. >> where is your logic?i'm asking you, what would you do to change this healthcare system for the better? after all, every time you people bring up cost, you don't care about the trillions of dollars to bail out the banks and all the credit card companies. glenn: get off my phone! get off my phone you pinhead! i don't care you people don't care about the trillions! i'm going to lose my mind today! that's shameful. here he is, talk radio host glenn beck. thank you for finally having somebody who disagrees with you on the air once in a while. >> welcome to the program. a lot of people say you have lost your mind. >> i have lost my mind. what's the difference between me and you, you know what i mean? i've lost my mind. you're a big fat fatty. you're on t.v. all the time, but yeah, i lost my mind. you know, are you watching the news? >> yes, i am. >> the whole country is melting down. people aren't even paying attention >> i understand that. and that's what you were scheming about get off my phone, because that

oliver wendell's statement that the life of the law is experience, not logic. the justice in connecticut talked about changing of values and the warn court changed the constitution practically every day. changes in search and seizure, right to council, who could have thought it would have take until 1963 to the right to council. we've heard a lot of the talk about the nomination proceeding of judge moore and they've tried to make bork into a verb. anybody who looks at that record will see that it's very, very different. we had a situation where the judge was an advocate of original intent and how can you have original intent when it was written on equal protection with the senate galleries which are segrega segregated. or believing that equal protection applied to race and ethnicity, didn't apply to women. it was a very thorough hearing. i spent beyond the hearing days in three long sessions, five hours, so it was his own approach to the law which resulted there. you had an evolution of constitutional law which puts empathy in an okay status, an okay category.

that makes no logical sense to me. >> on capitol hill, republicans are continuing their pressure, united in their opposition to the present's plan. -- it to the president's plan. >> a bipartisan majority has formed against the current proposal. >> the president is in his second week of public appearances to drum up an overhaul of the health-care system. mr. obama is expected to make his case for the american people during a prime-time news conference. >>> some members of congress estioned the cost of health care reform, and others are worried about how big the financial bailout will get. a new report says, in a worst- case scenario, the bailout could reach almost $24 trillion. federal reserve chairman ben bernanke testified on capitol hill today. while spending has stabilized, we are not out of the woods yet. >>> plans are district funding for a new f-22 jet. a 58-40 vote, he got his way. dollars will be removed from the defense bill for smaller jets. some lawmakers are concerned about losing jobs of the program ends. >>> a senator returned to work today. the 90-year-old democrat was in

glenn: so it's logical to him then to say, oh, the logical thing to do is just sign away.nstead of saying no, i can't do it in two days, you're going to have to wait. the world is upside-down. they're taking the engine off our airplane. now, we see things like this and we rightfully so become outraged, and, you know, i know it's crazy to ask, you know, our elected officials to read bills before they vote on them, or actually listen to us and not continually assault us, and so we call them up and nothing happens. i think that's what they want us to focus on, because while we're complaining an on the phone yelling at somebody at their staff, the p millions the government spends on turtles for bridges for turtles or toilet restorations like we told you yesterday, america's picture is being transformed and we're not noticing it. none of the small stuff is as important as the fundamental changes being made to how our country works, even the healthcare bill. this healthcare bill, in any form, must not pass, because this is about structure. they are taking the bolts off of that e

doubling your utility rates and they are doing that by taxing the plants that use coal to generate a logical power and the goal here is to increase the utility rates. they can't do it as a tax of a duet as cap and trade in which no one understands but will have the same that fact. i don't know if you agree and i'm sure there are many who doubt but i honestly believe the global warming is happening and i honestly believe in large part is man maine. the next thing you drive on hundred miles without using a drop of gasoline. you drive a little more than that the gas engine kicks in it but you are talking about a crash in utilization of gasoline and a tremendous reduction in carbon emissions and the united states. are more than capping trade will ever cause in the utility. it you want to deal with carbon emissions. how about dealing with china and india? [applause] if we pass the obama program completely and we made all of its goals carbon emissions will still go off because of india and china and until we get serious on that front which we can't because of all the money obama is a borrowing we

ahead of friday's market action glad you're along for the ride wall street logic in perspective coming into play here with the second quarter gross domestic product blue. good chance we may see the slowdown is slowing down in it may be good news. this week we have seen big moves in the oil market on wednesday it was down 6% on thursday it was up by almost the same amount certainly this happening in the face of bigger than expected we'll inventory stocks that are multi year highs and in the face of lower demands so seen so many people are lost to explain what's happening with oil. the market has confusion and anticipation at this point. almost $33 billion in bank bonuses. that's how much nine big banks paid out in employee bonuses in 2008 according to the new york state attorney general. while these same banks were getting $175 billion in bailout cash, they were paying out $32-point-6 billion in bonuses. the group includes merrill lynch, citigroup, goldman sachs and j-p morgan. meantime, the top guy at bank of america says his industry deserves some...but not all of the blame for the me

. >> larry: ted, logically, all of this is conjecture until you get an autopsy? >> absolutely. that's what chief bratton said yesterday, that they're moving forward to cover themselves if it becomes a homicide investigation. but clearly they said the coroner's got the next move in this. wait for the toxicology to come back and then you can move forward. >> larry: mark, sit logical to move forward here if a doctor overprescribed? >> there is some precedent for it recently when the attorney general charged various people in connection with anna nicole smith. and as robin said, they can do it as a manslaughter. they also -- there's a recent california supreme court which would give them some impetus if they wanted to charge it as what's called an implied malice, second-degree murder. what they're saying is, in line with your comment, nobody -- you don't have to have that intent to kill, but if there is just such reckless disregard or gross negligence rising to the level where somebody knew or should have known, that could imply the malice. and somebody could arguably, some ambitio

i regard that as backwards logic, if not a bogosity.o what if the trajectory looks the same and virtually everything else that matters is different? to believe it's analogous to 1930, you have to think the worst is ahead of us, not behind us. the market tanked back then because bad things kept happening. in 1930, the banks had yet to collapse. today we've already worked through the most dangerous aspects of our financial crisis, and nobody honestly believes that the system is still in jeopardy. we already had the black hills, we already had gm, we already had chrysler, we already had fannie, we already had aig, we already had bear, we lehman. in 1930, it was just getting on the table. and even if we had had a wholesale banking collapse, it would have been better than what happened in 1932 because we have the fdic around to guarantee profits. from 1930 to 1932, the government was doing everything wrong. it was like they were trying to make things worse. think pelosi times a million! the federal reserve was raising rates -- >> they know n

the virginia tech seismo logical observe virginia tore said it hit on the west end a little before midnight3, no damage, no injuries. there were reports of rattling windows. >>> still no word on whether charges will be filed against marion barry by his former girlfriend or whether they will be dropped. barry's attorney says he is confident that nothing will come from the allegations from donna watts-brighthaupt. barry was arrested after investigators claimed he was stalking her. >>> the balance of power in the u.s. senate went super majority. democrats reached the magic number of 60 votes as the newest senator, al franken took the oath of office. tom fitzgerald has a look at why republicans may be welcoming the democrats new advantage. >> it took just 73 words for democrats to achieve a majority that hasn't been seen in a generation. >> so help you god? >> i do. >> congratulations, senator. >> following his official oath of office, senator al franken and vice president biden did it again for the cameras. >> senato seemed amused at the amount of attention. since he are arrived -- arrived in

it only seems logical that if funds are put together whether you call them hedge funds or whatever there should be some authority that that's right to go in and look at the procedures within that fund and look at things such as how they price their securities, what conflicts of interest they have, etcetera, etcetera. >> susie: i'm sure you heard it said that we really don't need new regulation and structure we need smart regulators to enforce the rules we already have. what are your thoughts on that? >> there are a number of rules and regulations we don't have. a whole d derivative area that s gotten us in trouble and no oversight from stc and i think clear we need affective regulators and clearly we need we need people who are trained and again this is a problem and a challenge and opportunity to bring people into the regulatory agencies that are trained and know what they're talking about and eager to work through that agency. >> susie: what's your analysis of the obama reform plan? is it the right solution to reform the system? >> we say that it's a very good start. a good start but w

it only seems logical tt if funds are put together whether you call them hed funds or atever the should be some thority that that's right to go in and lookt the procedure with that fundand look a things such as how theyrice their securities, wh conicts interest they ve, etcetera, etcetera. >> sus: i'm sure you heard it sa thate rlly don't need new regulation and structure we need sma regulators to enforce the rules we already have. what are your thouts on that? >> tre are anumber of res and regulations w don't have. a whe derivative ea that has gotten usn trouble and no ersight froms and i think cleawe need affective regulatorsand clearly we need need people w are trained and again this is aroblem and a challenge and oppounity to bring peoplento the regulatory agenes that artrained and know what they'r talking aut and eager to work throug that agency >> susie: what'sour analysis of the oba reform lan? is it the right sotion to reform thesystem? we say that it's very good start. a od start but wre ting things a little further and also counseling that the who systemic partof this and some

so the markets are being logical after all. in asia, we don't think that markets are overdoing things at all. if you look at the data coming out of china, it's just better than expected. we have two factors recently of much better political situations in the second and third largest economies in the region. that is india and indonesia. to actually think that markets are pricing in, which is quite a benign scenario for asia going forward. so in those terms, we think that things are pretty much on track. >> what do you make of commodity markets, particularly the asian impact? oil is off. gold has gone up. also on the base metals. what do you think of commodities at this price? >> well, it's very difficult with commodity markets to separate that which is coming from real, final demand. and that which is being traded as a play on risk and possibly a play on lower yields elsewhere. so there is a lot of volatility now in commodities prices and a lot of this we do see as being partially from speculative or nonfundamental buying. that

that right there is not logical, and it's not a proper use of morairl reasoning. night. everywhere socialized medicine, government-run health care has been -- any experiment that's taken place, it has resulted in rationing, inferior care, high cost that exceed expectations, and has failed. why would the president try and rush this through in two weeks when he never read the bill? >> well, because he doesn't want people to find out what's in it. he's saying rush, hurry up, let's not debate it to death because what that will do is bring it into clarity, and people will understand that it's going to cost too much money, there are -- there's not provisions in place for the people that really need it, and it's not something that the country needs, and he doesn't want people to find out the fine details in it, and that's why he wants to hurry up and do it, but the blue dog democrats are standing up, and they're not going to allow to it happen. sean: i am convinced after the arm twisting of the president and princess pelosi and prince harry, they're going to be somewhat

a human being, 32.5%, that seems like the logical answer, a patient, 26.8%.ean: and if you are in the public plan, you're a number. is that how you want to be treated. sean: no. >> that's the issue. sean: which consequence of government involvement in health care two anger you more, and these are very predictable. waiting weeks or months to get a procedure or treatment that you need, 44.4%, the rationing of health care, 26.3%, which is guaranteed, american seniors may be denied treatment because of their age. betsy mccoy found that provision on page 425 of the bill that they're going to give counseling to seniors about options. that sounds like they're going to say well, you've lived a good life. >> what happens if they don't tell seniors what their options are. this is how the germans do it. you don't know that you could qualify for a specific procedure or medication, and it's frightening. if a mom has a child who desperately needs tests and treatment, and that mom can't get that childcare right then and there, that's a crisis. sean: that's canada, that's gr

you have to understand the logic -- twisted, but understandable. gulf leaders have been very disappointed by hatami, in the sense that these were a business-minded people with whom they could talk. hatami was soft-spoken. there were good relations. i am not going to overstate debt. in the 1980's, they were very concerned about iran's agenda in the gulf. saudi arabia and other places. they were building that relationship in the 1990's. they realize something in 2002 -- that iran had pushed ahead with its nuclear program, and that the good face of iran was hiding a more determined security policy. still very aggressive. they were trying to rebuild confidence between the two shores of the gulf. this still has an impact about how the gulf is upset at iran today. in a way, but they were relieved that ahmadinejad 1. a mousavi presidency would have had an impact -- a positive impact on the u.s.-will let -- a u.s.-iran relationship, and some believe that iran's interests and that washington's interest and in washington's heart is closer to the arab capital

i am a stand his point of view about that and there is a logic to a but at the same time i think after the president was said that the commander was going out first with apollo love and. then to me that president was going to be followed throughout the entire program so it is a tricky bit of his history there. and to know also and have a document from 1972, three years after the moon landing until a document from george lowe, one of the men at that meeting of four in that buzz aldrin had come into his office just before he wrote this memo. 1972. wanting again to know exactly why the decision was made for neil to go out first. sell in the buzz was totally satisfied with what he had been told in 1969 and one had been reported to the press, why would he still ask that question in 1972? you can judge that for yourselves. yes, ma'am. >> over the years and has been thought of that neil armstrong was reclusive, did not give any interviews , however, you able to get him to be able to give you these interviews for you to do a book? >> it is the one question i never asked emma. after he agreed t

a green card. >> lou dobbs came very close to that. >> if you listen to them as if they were logical, this is what they're saying. is this of a piece, to de-americanize the guy? >> i do. i think it's related. it's all an attempt to dehumanize him and delegitimize him in a deep way. it does go back. you led the segment by talking about sarah palin, he's palling around with terrorists. it goes back to the palin campaign. i will not say the mccain campaign because john mccain did come out and tell people he's not a muslim, he's a good american family man and i value that moment because it's been way too rare in the last six to eight months. we need more of it. we're not hearing enough of it from republicans. michael steele finally today, michael steele did make a statement and said i do believe the president is a citizen and he's a legitimate president and i want these people to stop. but it's just been far too slow in coming. >> it's getting worse. lindsey graham is taking heat from the south down there from some of the right for daring to vote for his supreme court nominee of the othe

he's having logical discusons with both. >> interesti.l, thank youery much, ambassador, for yo insight. it was great talking to you today. thank you. >> happy to be here. so, 2k5i6dade, you kn, it isan interestin dynamic of howthe world might sea leader and how th leader is seen by hisown people. it will be cious to seeow the mea plays it out. someeports say president obama received a clly reception. rtainly not what he has receivedn europe and oer parts of theld when he travels. yeah, and these meetis are interesting on so many levels en youthink about the bipolar wod that largy exists. u.s.ussian relations are still huge and somemes still fficulto pull apart and put ome perspective. seeing the leers in theame meeting roomis always fascinating. >>> another sty out there, former mayor of whington mari barry dying charges he stalli stalked a woman. he was on probation for faili to pay taxes. today his attney said the charges have merit >>e believe that the charge is baseless. we belve th t charge stems fr a persal relationship that has gon