the process takes on a certain perverse logic. the government comes to you basically says we'll charge you with three things which carry five years in prison, but if you plead guilttry right now, we'll drop two of those charges.y so the problem is, whether or not you are guilty you have a strong incentive to go along, in other words, to plead, even toce something you didn't do. in my case the problem wasn't that, it was more after selective prosecution issue. leaving that aside. so i have seen the process work. it is not necessarily a search for truth or justice measured as proportionate. it becomes a little bit -- victory is measured by what they can get out of it. >> host: in your case, what did you eventually get convicted of? >> guest: i got series of penalties, the most serious was eight months overnight confinement in federal confinement center. then i got a fine. i got five years community service and probation. makes you a lifelong felon. ordinarily i would say, well, all right, but when we looked into it there is no ameri

the process is perverse logic. this government chanksow with of with three thing that carry fivize but if you plead guilty right now then we'll do two of the charges. so the problem is whether or not you are guilty, you have a strong incentive to go along. in other words to plead, even to something you didn't do. in my case the problem was more offer a selective prosecution issue but leaving that aside. i've seen the process work and it's not necessarily a search for truth or justice, measured in proportionality, it becomes a little bit -- victory is measured by what they can get out ofite in your case, what did you eventually get convicted of? sunny. >> guest: i got a series of penalties. the most serious was eight months in overnight confinement in a federal confinement center, and then i got a fine, i got five years of community service and probation and obviously it makes you a life-long felon. ordinarily i would say, all right. but when we looked into it there is no american who hasbroken prosecuted. let alone

for the second grade awakeners meant doing good works, benevolence, then you see the logical step to the third area which is millennialism, the belief that the church is bringing in the kingdom of god and perhaps also that this nation was chosen to bring in that millennium, this nation being the united states which is an interesting topic and runs through the country's history. revival is the method then. so how do they get along politically, well, they launched what is called the age of reform, sometimes referred to as the benbenevolent empire. you see individuals like charles finney and his disciple, they were very focused on temperance and abolition, you see henry beecher and his son lyman and lyman's son all of whom were involved in -- lyman was involved in temperance but they'll be involved in trying to improve the american society wily in with a goal of bringing god's law to bear in the community which they lev -- live. someone creates a better society. what i think is intriguing is coming from this time period, because i this i as you listen you'll see how much they apply to o

and prostitution, anti-gambling measures follow along the same logic. and so people often have the misimpression that the 19th century was this time when christians in america were just making the law of god the law of the land and that's just how it worked and that's what christians were doing and ought doing. there were quite a lot of sins that don't end up in the legislature. adulatory. blasphemy. they were regulated in the colonial era but fell off the board in the 19th century, partly because they don't have the anti-slavery logic to them. if you admit adulatory it's evidence that you have choice. you are making poor choices, you have that volition, you are not enslaved. so there tonight need to be politics or a law to free you fra somethi from something. you need to stop making bad choices. the others, gambling, slavery, prosecution are tied to metaphorical slavery through addiction or literal through slave-holding. that there is to be a temporal power to break the chains in order for the gospel to go out. the question is how much of that sort of

or what is the logic that drives evangelical reform.t is a question i get to ask without answering. >> all right. we will take some questions from the audience. so if you can pass them to the aisles, and we'll have some individuals pick them up. we will take about 10 or 15 minutes to answer some of these questions. >>> all right. we will start with this particular question. it was one that i thought might come up. that is, why do you believe evangelical political groups like the moral majority and the christian coalition were so strong at one point and then headed into virtual extinction? i think dr. guth might be a good person to start >> well, i think there are several answers to that. the first answer is that they were too personality centered. they were started by falwell, robertson. and personality centered organizations usually don't survive the political or the real demise of the founder. it's very hard to make that sociological transition from first generation to second generation leadership. all those organizations also, becaus

intolerance for id logical difference.80% friend is my 80% friend, it's my 80% friend is my 1,000% enemy and monstrous human being. you see that an awful lot on college campuses to go back to what we talked about. you see this on the ground in progressive urban centers. there's a huge amount of intolerance, and people around the country see this, and reject it. they're repulsed by it. >> but one of the things that really strikes me when we talk about college campuses and millennials is the the sort of tuning out of politics, elected politics, and it gets back to what i think we really need to see in both parties, is focussing on legislatures and governors and thinking, and not being afraid of being purged from the rolls, and that is a very effective strategy by, you know, the extreme of the right wing right now is trying to claim that there was election fraud and taking this fake commission and making it into a real fear factor for people who won't tip their toes into elected politics. >> i want to pivot to we've been talk

. >> this would be a logical step forward in robert wheeler's investigation. this is something people here at the white house expected. always comes as a surprise when the news of the announcement breaks even though it wasn't exactly an announcement. grand jury proceedings are typically kept secret. department of justice is being particularly type tight-lipped. reports that the grand jury was impaneled in a reuters report that the first subpoenas have been issued. in connection with the june 2016 meeting donald trump, jr. had with natalia veselnitskaya and

the logic of that point is to say that there should be a second referendum at the end of it all. not necessarily logical to go to that extent, but they seem to have come together in acknowledging that there will have to be various transition arrangements. most people see that as... pragmatism in the end. as long as... pragmatism in the end. as long as it doesn't delay the ultimate exit. another transitional arrangement is what happens in the republic and northern ireland, if one wants to stay out and one remains in. the customs story today, the publication of plans in terms of what will happen on the island of ireland, the headline is that there would not be a hard border.m ireland, the headline is that there would not be a hard border. it would be sad if we wound up with one almost by default. there has not been any indication from government sources that they would be heading in that direction. this is a way of reassuring people it is not going to happen. five paragraphs down in a story in the guardian is a link with today's issue, whether it will be possible to avoid any borde

you all see the logic of this? yes. yes, indeed. and nobody, nobody thought this was better news than the new president of the united states, james buchanan. buchanan is inaugurated on the 4th of march, 1857. just two days before the dred scott decision is handed down and he rejoices in it because he looks at the dred scott decision as the final settlement of the slavery question. the dred scott decision has now made it absolutely clear, final and absolute, congress has nothing to do with slavery. congress can pass no statute, congress cannot do this, can't do that, can't do the other. out of the slavery business, therefore, no reason for anymore controversy over slavery. almost. because remember that kansas, the kansas territory, is still bleeding. pro-slavery forces in kansas took a leaf out of buchanan's book at this point and assembled their own constitutional convention. state constitutional convention at the pro-slavery capital of kansas, the town of la compton. and there they adopt a state constitution legalizing slavery in k

the reluctance on the part of most people in this country to deal with the the underlying it is a logical justification for this violence the the you normalization of white supremacy this notion that this in fact is a white nation. and that it has the right and responsibility to not only keep people of color in check in the u.s. but around the world how do you explain the fact that you can have the truth of ministration deciding themselves that they can punish the assad government because of the alleged violations of some of international law and get away with it would almost no opposition so this whole white father this part of this just this racist idiology this this american exceptionalism exceptionalism if you will that's been part of the american idiology and has been normalized and accepted by all richard hofstadter in his last book on violence writes that these white vigilante groups whether they were the slave patrols of the klan or the gun thugs that broke the labor movement the pinkertons the one felt's have essentially tacitly serve the interests of the ruling elites although t

there is a logic here that is the wholet makes process not necessarily a search for truth, but a way to vindicate the process. have concerns with this special counsel? can he conduct a special investigation? indications, and i admit i am a this level spectator of events, it looks like he is stocking his team with those hostile to trump. that is not inherently bad. i think it may well be that when you combine ideology with the inherent logic of a special prosecutor's agenda it becomes a stacked process. host: do think the process is more stacked when we see bills introduced in the senate to shield the special counsel from being fired? guest: yes. i think when the process gets going it is harder to stop. are trying toyou cover something up and have something to hide. thise been through judicial process myself for exceeding the campaign finance law. what happened is i gave $20,000 over the campaign finance limit to a friend of mine running for u.s. senate. it seems strange to say that i was naive about campaign finance. a pac, have given to but i gave to two of my friends and reimburse

there is a company called core logic that has done an analysis that we could have close to $40 billion in damage. 232,000 hosms just along the coast. and then hundreds of thousands of homes in the area between the coast and san antonio and austin and houston. so you are looking at big try angle. areas as far away as waco, texas may have 40 mile-per-hour winds and 5 to 6 inches of rain. this is going to be unprecedented storm for the country and particularly texas. tucker, as you know, we are the center for refineries and oil and natural gas production. our refineries about 30 will be closed down.

who not only adopted kremlin-favored positions on issues, but also adopted the language and logic of the , welin come a talking about cannot say anything about what is happening in russia right now because we have killers, too. that is exactly the kind of thing that putin himself would say. charlie: he said that in an interview, too. do you also believe that president obama could have made a difference if he had been stronger in his own declarations about russian hacking? >> i think president obama was in an impossible decision on this issue. give you was the commander -- here he was a commander in chief, trying to defend democracy, but also the standardbearer of the democratic party in the middle of an election. i think he wanted very badly to avoid any appearance that he was putting his thumb on the scale in this election. that is to his credit. i understandwhy he decided not to. charlie: you said you now know

colleagues right like charles krauthammer, rush limbaugh all talk -- even rush limbaugh says this is logical. >> tucker: i don't think that's how you pronounce his name but hold on. look. the country is crowded in a lot of places. there were 320 million people here. current immigration continues. we are going to get to half a billion by the end of the century. s that a lot. that's an awful lot of people. and i think that if you were to say to the public really clearly, any time someone comes into the country legally under 18 they automatically become a u.s. citizen. i think you would find support for that would be, i don't know, maybe 10%. like nobody would be for that let's be honest. >> tucker, you know, you are a smart guy. that's not what the daca program does. >> >> tucker: yeah, it is. >> talks about a exphawl category of people who came when they were children. look, they have grown up here. they have gone to school here. with daca, many of them have bought cars, have bought houses. are paying for their college

my son was going into -- i did logic with him, and i learned logic. it was pretty cool. and what we ought to be doing is helping our children become lifelong learners. that's -- especially in this environment, in this economic environment. because the economy has shifted. i don't know if you've noticed, but you no longer get your college degree, get a job, work your way up the ranks, 50 years later retire with a gold watch. that doesn't happen anymore, and people are changing careers i think -- can't remember the statistic, but like three times before the age of 30 or 40. i can't remember. it was, you know, people are changing careers. how do you change careers if you can't learn? and what are we teaching our kids when we send them to school? the school says this is how you learn. so in order to learn a new career, i have to go back to that? no. you can hack your education online. there's great ted talk by a young, what is he, 14-year-old physicist who, you know, who's discovering things . and he says i hacked my education. i went online. i wanted to learn about this, i

i'd never taken logic in school. i did logic with him and i learned logic and it was pretty cool. what we ought to be doing is helping our children become lifelong learners. especially in this environment, the economic environment because the economy has shifted. you no longer get your college degree, get a job, work your way up the rank in 50 years later retire with a gold watch. people are changing careers, three times before the age of 30. for 40. i can't remember. people are changing careers. how do you change careers if you can't learn? what are we teaching our kids that we send them to school. school says this is how you learn. in order to learn a new career have to go back to that? no, you can hack your education online. there's a great type talk by a 14-year-old citizen who is discovering things and he says i hacked my education. i went online. i wanted to learn about this. i looked it up. education is out there now and there are plenty of opportunities to educate yourself about how to educate your children if you really think you need to be taught how to educate your chil

she did not say anything about him being logical. she said the president of the united states, past presidents, use the office for moral authority. some have been critical of him for missing that opportunity and instead getting bogged down in the logistics of what happened in charlottesville. caller: really quickly -- journalism should not be anything but the truth. having a journalism degree, i know that. it should not be anything but the truth. host: all right. what do you make of -- i am curious your perspective of this debate over fake news in our people believew one outlet, and other people will not believe from that same outfit, outlet, what they are hearing. guest: it is a real challenge. part of the concerns i have, as someone who is kind of a student of religion and politics, is how divided we have become a long lines -- it is sort of a tribal divide that we have going on in the country now. it is about race, religion, partisanship. we are sort of pushed to our corners. now, we have a media infrastructure i think does reinfo

the attempt to say to protect the white supremacy of state something is at the heart of the it is logical justification for this this country and it's something this shared by both parties so you know we could look at an addendum and confront these more obvious examples of white supremacy of the violence but you know i'm concerned also about the violence of the state the justifications for for supporting white supremacy the ability of the state to be able to. project its power globally and with sufficient and overwhelming support from the american people so we don't begin to confront those notions we can't explain why we can have a unanimous support for the slaughter in gaza the support of the israelis saluting hours including bernie sanders then we can understand what is in play here in this country it is logically how do you look at the difference between a figure. like hillary clinton and donald trump. well i see the the the hard right and the software as i called it. the crude hard right of donald trump and the consistent soft right of the of the neo liberal hillary clinton but is the

partly because they don't have this anti-slavery logic to them. if you commit adultery, it's evidence that you have choice. you are making poor choices. you have that volition. you are not enslaved and so there doesn't need to be a politics or a law that's going to free you from anything, you just need to stop making bad choices. whereas, whereas, things like prostitution, gambling, slavery are all sort of tied to this idea of either metaphorical slavery, there has to be some temporal power that can break those chains in order for the gospel to go out. so i guess the question is how much of that sort of logic has held on into the 20th and 21st that's that's a question i get to ask without answering it. thank you. >> we will take questions from the audience. if you can pass them to the aisles and we'll have some individuals pick them up. we'll take about 10 or 15 minutes to answer some of these questions. we'll we'll start with this particular question and it was one that i thought might come up and that is why do you believe evangelical political

but the process takes on a certain reverse logic.by that i mean the government comes and says were going to charge with three things that carry five years in prison. but if you plead guilty to then will drop to those charges. the problem is whether or not you are guilty you have a strong incentive to go long. even to plead with something to into. in my case it wasn't that. it was a prosecution issue. i see the process work on is not necessarily a truth for justice, it becomes victory is measured by what they can get out of it. >> in your case wanted to get convicted of? >> guest: i got a series of penalty, the most serious was eight months of an overnight consignment. when i got a fine, i got committee service and probation. anna makes a lifelong felon. when we looked into it there is no american who had been prosecuted but let alone knocked out for doing what i did. it's not a matter of did you do it, the other guys who do the same think at the same penalty. >> to think your previous work is the reason why their special interest in

you're trying to explain why his logic doesn't hold up. use the same set of reasoning, the same method of reasoning to explain why he himself is a bigot based on his spelling, canau you explain to r audience how you did that? >> i think it's the very first line, what he basically did was he worked off an assumption in the assumption was white nationalists and white supremacists areem all academic, the opposite of academic elitists. they think everybody who went to college is an elitist. he then argued that republicans are reporting anti-intellectualism as a trope by not offering any proof, he pivoted and said republicans love you, conservatives love you, ergo white nationalists love you and because you have remained silent in i the face of recent events, then you in fact are tacitly endorsing their love of bad things. vis-a-vis their affection for your foundation. it was said nuanced kind of argument but is not unusual. it's kind of like saying that because all of the terrorists on 9/11 were muslim and from saudi arabia, then everybody who

i think the next logical step, if the chinese banks are not cooperating now the next logical step would be going after chinese banks. i understand that people are very concerned about that, concerned it will harm the u.s. china economy or harm u.s. china praytrade, but there's a to do that, you don't have to freeze their assets or cut them off from the united states. you can declare their compliance procedures are not appropriate and they could get significant fines. >> remembering that we fine-- the united states fines a french bank closed to $9 billion back in the iran sanctions days and it can work that way and we can get people's attention. >> because i don't know the answer, what do we know about our efforts, american efforts to layout the case and the data, if you will, about various kinds much-- of north korean operations in china and elsewhere. as you know, a lot of activities of north korean, you know, entities of one kind or another, they're really good at it, but do you know, do we know anything about the efforts under the trump administration to really have these kinds of co

it's logically inconsistent and morally vacant. why that was, we don't know. but the white house should say more about it. >> i think that parallel is exactly right. we need to name the problem of radical islamic terrorism on this. as abby pointed out, this is a flip side of a defiantly ahistorical approach to the presidency. you can't lead the nation if you don't want to deal with the history or understand it. we've played footsie with this idea of white nationalists. white nationalist is white supremacist. >> in the next hour we'll talk to the mayor of charlottesville to find out what's going on down there. as caylee harden told us, the streets are back open, what's the mood? in the 8:00 hour we'll talk with a woman at the scene of that terrible car ramming. she knew the victim, heather heyer. we'll get perspective on what brought this young woman there and what she was about. >> so important to remember her name and what she was fighting for that day. is the growing criticism against president trump's response to everything that unfolded in charlottesville,

being in the arceia logical community. i understand all the issues. but do you think the navy will ever put the money out to do the preservation at once and knows the answer to that question. what about public, private partnerships that had preserved land sites and some maritime sites around the world. or are they sitting there saying, we don't want you to do that. but, no, we're not going to put the money up to help you. what is going on there? >> i am saying the navy will probably never have the money for this. in the past 30 ye20 years, they gotten better and the heritage command and they go out and they do sonar readings and a lot of protection of ship wrecks around the world, not just in the u.s. but they're never going to have enough money. and i think public/private partnerships would be a great plan. the difficulty is the federal government is creating that public, private partnership getting through all of the red tape to be able to get that done. but i absolutely think that is the way we have to go to be able to preserve these ships and thes

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logical market for us. bank there, it has the right licenses for us. ♪ manus: welcome to "bloomberg daybreak: europe." i'm manus cranny. anna: and i'm anna edwards. manus is back. we have news breaking from allianz, the german financial giant, the owner of pimco. we have headlines coming through today. inflow, $52 billion in the second quarter. about some of these numbers already. the q2 revenue number looks lower than announced, at $13 billion. well, interesting as ¥1.75 trillion in that the four-year net income levels. getting some details on the first quarter performance of the company and some forecasts for the year ahead coming in from toyota. to what extent are they trying to share those are indeed -- those r&d? the two companies are nearing a deal to buy stakes in one another and build a u.s. factory. manus: let's give you the top lines on second quarter adjusting operating profit. ago. up from a year it is a turnaround story. they are operating at a buffer .f capital at over 14.8% in the margin is a

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both on the suture logical as well as the. cannot economic side of both countries. okay ricardo diploma i thank you so much i thought so analysis the. senior analyst at junkie second also expressed on the trouble security trends in europe thanks again for your time. thank you. watching friends twenty four if you arere just joining us remind all of our top story this hour chaos. and panic in barcelona noticed stonews coming down. is it george washington next week and thomas jefferson the week after? you really have to ask yourself, where does it stop? amy: as president faces growing outrage over his response to the deadly white supremacist rally in charlottesville, virginia, we will bring you an exclusive -- an interview with two o

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the logic behind this is there.same time, uber faced a lot of problems for its perceived closeness to the trump administration. --has certainly been probably one of the most outspoken tech leaders against trump's presidency so far. vonnie: this is coming at the same time we are seeing over co-founder travis kalanick argue that vc firms are challenging his right to appoint three board members and should be heard outside of court. he wants an arbitrator to resolve this. it enter into a good arrangement with this new ceo? eric: hard to say what the courts will decide. it does seem so far that there was not some sort of grand bargain. meg whitman had a lot of conditions for trying to be uber ceo. there was a chance that maybe the board would have shaken off some of these other issues resolved. this seems more like the compromise candidate from everything we have seen so far. it does not seem to have resolved the benchmark lawsuit against travis. the softbank deal, we have not heard anything on that either. this is a ceo

that's why i don't appreciate that logic being the lead logic. that's a false logic. >> reporter: instead the city is asking people attend peaceful rallies around city on friday and saturday. >> we will not let this rally tear us apart. we will not let this rally destroy our >> reporter: the p rresidio tru is urging the businesses to close on saturday. one of those businesses the house of air told me that they will close on saturday. there are a lot of kids that go there and also they have had to, they have confirmed they had to cancel a few birthday parties all in the name of safety. they will lose a lot of business on saturday. >> we have a sampling of opinions and important information for anyone who may be in the area. >> we have a problem with your microphone. we'll get that squared away. you can see that there are a variety of things that will be going on. that are scheduled in various locations around san francisco on saturday. at noon there's an art for equality event at harvey milk plaza. there's four different counter protests. at 2:00

so that's why i don't appreciate that logic being the heed logic. that is a false logic. >> reporter: the city is asking people to attend peaceful rallies around the city on friday and saturday. in san francisco, leeann melendez, "abc7 news." >>> "abc7 news" spoke with the man behind this saturday's rally, patriot prayer founder joey gibson of vancouver, washington. he shared his reaction after sharing the permit today. vic lee talked with him about what he expects at the valley. vic? >> reporter: of course, joey gibson is delighted that the park service gave him the permit. he says he's just exercising his constitutional right to free speech and that what he's trying to accomplish through his rallies is unity. joey gibson, leader of patriot prayer, is expecting hundreds to attend his rally saturday at chrissy field. >> there's going to be bernie supporters coming in, atheists, christians, muslims. i'm not surprised that they granted the permit. it's the first amendment. >> reporter: he said his rally is beyond politics. >> i do think people are dra

i went on to arguing much of the logic of the court he would have summarily reversed that he should have changed his mind. i remember his invitation to discuss the memo. why don't we talk about that case you saw i got wrong, he asked? as he drew my memo from the top drawer of his desk. on top front page, he had inscribed with a felt tip pen what seemed to be a huge zero covering nearly the entire page. you see that, he asked, pointing at the zero? as i read these memos, i put a question mark next to points with which i disagree. and he revealed dozens of question marks and concluded, the more i disagree, the bigger the question mark. he pointed back to the score he said with a big smile and said, that's the period at the bottom of the question mark. but he continued. he said, let me hear you make the case. three hours and many arguments later, he asked, any more to say? when i said no, he announced, well, i'm where i started but now i'm ready for my debate with justice brennan at conference. in the end, his view prevailed. the equal protection case was argued on the first monday, the nex