expenditure lobbyist or coming up with a definition for the purpose of expenditure lobbyist and time loimths 1, 2, 3 months or what have you what the starting point is months from what. >> it could be 3 months from the date of payment was made that trirgdz the expenditure lobbies or the final decision was made a whole variety of things but we need a trigger. >> that makes sense to me. >> my last thank you for the deluges my loose question is the employers that employ people to perform some of those actions i did not said how it works so let's say you're a company that has an employee that is governmental relations and that person makes hundred thousand dollars a year and you know 10 percent of their time percent of their time is spent on the city and county of san francisco activities to encourage people to talk to or appear at meetings relating to the city and county it that employer an expenditure lobbyist and how are other employers to know when and how their employees have made the employer an expenditure lobbyists? >> i think some of this such as that mr. minority we used other jurisdic