this is first and foremost lois lois lerner an american citizen invoking one of the most sacred privilege is enshrined to the bill of rights, her fifth amendment right to protect herself. the record will show from the very beginning when she was summoned to this committee she resisted and she invoked her fifth amendment right. she came here under subpoena, a partisan issued subpoena i might add, not supported by our side, against her will. and she made a statement and then refuse to answer any questions and was dismissed by the chairman. mr. gotti would have you believe that the law says the fact that she made any statement at all constitutes a waiver of her constitutional rights not to self-incrimate. i beg to differ. case law is very clear. the fact that she made a statement does not somehow constitute a waiver and in fact there is a famous case during a different era when -- in which mr. hoge said, made a statement. i've never engaged in espionage nor sabotage and i will not so engage in the future. i am not a spy or saboteur and then he invoked his fifth amendment and the court found

i go back to the point, we are not here with regard to lois lerner. we are here because there are american citizens who were affected by the agency that she oversaw who used her authority in the irs to what we believe to be an impressive fashion against what could be their constitutional rights, and, potentially, any criminal fashion. and so, what we really have, we are engaged in a civil proceeding. and to the extent to which lois lerner has rights that she can invoke using her fifth amendment, they were to any ultimate question that she may be accountable to any criminal for, not here. what she says here may be relevant, and there's plenty of history with regard to that issue. but let's go to the facts of what happened here. we are here on a civil proceeding, and we do have a responsibility, and oversight responsibility, to address that which we just articulated, it is the responsibility to assure that the rights of citizens have not been oppressed by the irs. lois lerner does not have any right to refuse to answer questions before this committee un

lois goodman is here she a u.s.pen umpire accused of murdering her husband with a coffee mug and made huge headlines and tabloids. all the charges have been dropped and she is breaking her silence. >> people accused me of trying to murder them with the coffee. i don't know about the cup. >> anderson: and "dancing with the stars" gilles marini is here. so we are excited about that. [applause] >> very excited about that. >> anderson: but, we have a lot to talk about. because i was away, in gaza reporting on the situation therein i thank rosie o'donnell and andy cohen for filling in. i survived. first of all, let me tell you first. i am on a plane last night flying back from los angeles and i have a thing about people showing their bare feet on airplanes. and i have talked about this before. everywhere i go i was on an amtrak train trying to eat my mcdonald's number one meal, the big mac meal and a guy was flapping his hobbit feet in my face. sure enough i am on a plane yesterday and about to order the meal and a guy w

wallace has not spoken with investigators about loy's murder.e's awaiting extradition to massachusetts. former new england patriots star aaron hernandez has been charged with lloyd's execution-style murder. hernandez has been denied bail twice and awaiting trial behind bars. we spoke with someone from the bristol county sheriff's office who told us hernandez remains in a 7 by ten cell by himself. his demeanor, calm and cool. and he has no special protection at this time. investigators say they now have all three men they believe were in the car with lloyd the morning of his murder, including carlos ortiz, who you see here, who was taken in custody on a charge of carrying a firearm without a license. prosecutors say lloyd was shot in the side, chest and back around 3:30 a.m. june 17, his body discovered roughly a half mile from hernandez' home in north attleboro. boston police were back in hernandez' home friday and trying to determine if he was involved in an unsolved double murder from last july. investigators now believe that odin lloyd may ha

chairman, i have identified nine sprapt specific assertions made by lois lerner on may 22nd. and that was after she asserted her right against privilege. >> at this point the house oversight committee hasn't formally requested that lerner come back to answer questions, at least not yet. >> we will remind everybody, we got to this point because the irs was targeting the conservative groups with tea party and patriot at their names. the democrats are coming to her defense? >> democrats said lerner did what the constitution allows her to do. >> mr. gowdy would have you

information that came out about lois lerner having signed on on. >> paul: lois lerner ran that tax exempt department, she is now on suspension. let's go to z-street and they identify the agent, diane henry who told them she had been instructed to single groups like this out. the time was also strange because it occurred at time when this group was opposing some of the policies of the administration, pursuing the palestinian peace process? >> well, right. what was happening there were stories at the time that a lot of these pro israel groups are supporting west bank settlements and at the same time they are getting tax exempt status. it's'xo these cues one way or another that hey, this is opposed to the administration's policy priorities and i think it was said specifically to z street that some of the scrutiny was to see whether or not the israel

we are here today because lois lerner made a choice. she made a choice to use this form for purposes. and i ask this committee to remember why we are here, not for lois lerner, but to make sure that we stand up for the rights of those who have been oppressed by the irs. i conclude my comments by saying lois lerner is not surrendering any fifth amendment rights, as we can see what is happening going down line. to the extent she will invoke fifth amendment privilege and we would hold her in contempt, it will go before a qualified court of law. and there it will be brief, and there they will have the best of attorneys if it gets to the matter, and prior to that there may be a decision for other kinds of activities the committee would make that would make that issue not relevant. but as to today, as to this moment, it was lerner opened the door and she cannot have it both ays. and i believe at this point in time, this is a simple resolution which is simply saying that we have the ability to ask her to come back to answer questions with rega

i have for given lois lerner.ficult years and it was difficult on my family. 10 years after i forgave her though, i saw her on television and the stories that i heard were identical to the story that i went through. as little as i wanted to get back on television and as much as i wanted to be in my own little private world right now , the fact is i have an obligation to tell my story because what happened to me when she was the head of theu=k millions and millions of dollars of television commercials, i remember hiding my kids from the tv when it came on. allp salvi is being investigated by the federal elections commission by amounts over a million dollars. it made it soundxd like i was stealing a million dollars or #e÷mething.okx÷ &c @&c it was very, very difficultçó to overcome thati]çó. when she offered $e÷p me to drop the case if i stay out of politics for thew3 rest of my life, that sounded very strange to me.xd it didn't sound like the usual, well, we will negotiate -- if you pay a small finee1r wrong -- no.

so contrived from the beginning. >> paz said in her interview, lois learner, according to her, lois learner said to her that the head of the irs was well aware of this not. nothing prevents him from going before the cameras and not doing this stupid charade. more honorable than trying to -- >> absolutely. and to set it up for the aba to ask you a question that you already know the answer toto give out to make this big announcement. and not to have miller, director, come out and say it. that's why i think the whole thing was really kind of a charade. >> does it make you more suspicious the way they rolled it out, or just sort of clemcy handling of a pr event? >> i think it makes me more suspicious. one thing t clumsily handle a press conference. but at a press conference, knowingith going to get picked up, doing it that way. you had to plot this out, greta. ith not something where you clumsily did go. >> doan you think the month after you found out, wouldn't that be the way to do the honorable thing? >> exactly. >> the best way to handle it, it would have been a more truthful way to handle i

or eat right, one of the two. >> jimmy: lois lane, that must be exciting to be lois lane.e lois lane and i'm not even a woman. >> you could probably pull it off. get a wig. >> jimmy: you think so? maybe in the next reboot. >> you can be my like bizarro lois lane. >> jimmy: there you go. that would be bizarro indeed. you were work on the movie "the master" right before superman. >> it was a really quick turnover, a matter of days. i don't know how many of you have seen "the master." it's quiet and intense and then i'm being dangled -- held by superman and he's -- we're dangling over a corn field being dropped 40 feet. >> jimmy: i like how you say dangled. superman doesn't really -- or maybe he doesn't dangle. i'm not sure. >> i love that. you're right. >> jimmy: is it fun being on one of those? it seems like it would be the worst thing in the world hanging on one of those wires while acting. >> you know what, i actually loved it, it's really weird when you're just getting to know somebody. i didn't know henry well. i'm strapped to him. so, how's it going? it's really nice t

we want to know what you think, will irs commissioner steven miller and lois lerner trying to pull a fast one with the phony, staged question? or was this a good-faith p.r. strategy? go to gretawire.com and vote. >> straight ahead, secret internet and phone spying on you -- the nsa claims it is key to fighting terror. edward snowden says congress is exaggerating its value. congresswoman michele bachmann is here. do you have faith in the irs? would you give them more money to implement health care? republicans have a new plan to keep them out of obamacare. do you think the world leaders are ready for a guys' night out isn't picture of president obama and vladimir putin. we may read your tweet on the air before the show is over. ph vo: i've always thought the best part about this country is that we get to create our future. you get to take ownership of the choices you make. the person you become. i've been around long enough to recognize the people who are out there owning it. the ones getting involved and staying engaged. they're not sitting by as their life unfolds. and they're not a

irs bureaucrat lois lerner tried to get around that by proclaiming her innocence of wrongdoing, then refusing to talk at a congressional hearing. today, lawmakers investigating the taxation's targeting scandal denied that exemption. chief congressional correspondent mike emanuel has our top story. >> the resolution finding lois lerner waived her fifth amendment privileges on may 22nd, 2013 is approved and we stand adjourned. >> reporter: the house oversight 22-17 vote along party lines found learner a key figure in targeting of conservative groups, waived that constitutional right by defending herself. >> i have not done anything wrong. i have not broken any laws. >> reporter: both then and now, former federal prosecutor, trey gowdy offered that she doesn't get to present her side and refuse to answer questions. >> mr. chairman, i have identified nine separate specific assertions made by lois lerner on may the 22nd, and that was after she asserted her right against privilege. >> reporter: the top democratic, elijah cummings tried to argue against the resolution with a different inter

but lois lane.lane. >> it is. >> jimmy: i would like to be lois lane. i'm not even a woman. >> you could probably pull it off. get a wig. >> jimmy: you think so? maybe in the next reboot. >> maybe there will be a sequel. you can be my -- what is it, bizarro lois lane. >> jimmy: there you go. that would be bizarro indeed. you were working on the movie "the master" right before you started on superman. >> i was. it was like a really quick turnover. it was a matter of days. so it was kind of crazy because we were -- i don't know how many of you have seen "the master." but it's a very intense and very sort of quiet drama. and coming onto set and i'm being dangled -- spoiler alert if anyone's watching. i'm being held by superman and he's -- we're dangling over a corn field, like being dropped 40 feet. it was pretty -- >> jimmy: i like how you say dangled. because superman doesn't really -- or maybe he does dangle. i'm not sure. >> i love that. superman dangling, yeah, you're right. >> jimmy: is it fun be

lois lerner's attorney, william taylor is pushing back. saying that the house oversight committee is highly polarized forum and that the votes fell along party lines. >> taylor said in a statement, quote, she did not give up her right to -- talking about lois lerner to refuse to testify by stating her innocence. she had requested that she not be required to appear at all and was forced against her will to invoke her right in public. when she was forced to do that, she was entitled to say what she said. lerner came before the house oversight committee may 22 to explain what she knew and when about the irs targeting conservative groups. she spoke for two minutes, 40 seconds. at the end of that invoking her fifth amendment rights. but not taking any questions from lawmakers. and that infuriated republicans who spoke after the vote yesterday. >> lois lerner is, in fact, a poster child for thumbing her nose at practical bureaucrats, thumbing her most, at congress. >> not so, say democrats. who insist that lerner had every right to do what she d

we are here today because lois learner made a choice. she made a choice to use this forum for her purposes. and i ask this committee to remember why we were here. not for lois learner but to make sure that we stand up for the rights of those who have been oppressed by the i.r.s. i conclude my comments by saying lois learner is not surrendering any fifth amendment right because we can foresee what's going to happen down the line. to the extent that she will invoke fifth amendment privilege and we hold her in contempt it will go before ultimately a qualified court of law. and there it will be briefed and there they will have the best of attorneys if in fact it gets to that matter. and prior to that there may be a decision for other kinds of activities this committee would make that would make that issue not relevant. but as to today, as to this moment, lois learner opened the door and she can't have it both ways. and i believe at this point in time this is a simple resolution which is simply saying that we have the ability to ask her to co

with competent counsel, some of the best attorneys available, and lois learner is it to her -- lois lerner is an attorney herself. change therilyi dynamic. when she chose to use the foreman, where she was aware there was going to be a national forum for her to declare whatever it is that she wanted to do, and she used this occasion very specifically, and the gentleman from south carolina but through an eloquent way the number of ways she opened the door. theve in my hands here letter from counsel. we knew what she was doing why invoking the fifth grade all she had to do was sit there and say the fifth." and in case, we would not be here today. she was the one who put into the record, the subject matter. she opened the door to the subject matter. she is the one that included the i.g.ence to the report. she is the one that brought the to this.report in she is the one who made these statements, i did not break any laws, i did not violate any irs rules or regulations, i did not give any false testimony to this or any other congressional committee. with respect all of the things things that had

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lois lern lois lerner, correct me if i'm wrong, first knew about this on june 11th. >> that's kofshth. that's when she was notified of the targeting taking place. >> after consulting the treasury, consulting with the white house we didn't hear about it from her and set up questions until may 10th of 2013. >> right. also she came up with another criteria used for. some of the groups in the audience with you today got put in this dragnet because of lois lerner coming out to other organizations not just tea party groups. she basically is responsible for doing that. >> in march of 2013 doug shuman the head of the irs assured the american people in congress that this was not happening, correct? >> in fact he did that a year ago in response to questions from congress. >> may 2012. >> march 2012. >> 2012, uh-huh. that's right. >> one of the things i want to ask both of you the same question. it is puzzling to me is shulman went to the white house 157 times. his answer was i was there once for an easter egg hunt or whatever it is. nobody as i check the records to be cabinet members of obama t

. >> congressional leaders say irs employee lois lerner waived her fifth amendment rights and her attorney said she will not go down without a right. will she have to testify anyway? governor sarah pa lin weighs in. and we'll look at nelson mandela. we'll look at his fight to end racial discrimination and how his life parallels dr. martin luther king. and the nfl decides to punt on propoeting obama care. administration looking for high profile pitches. and the pros are not buying it. i am uma, we are live from the nation's capitol. america's news headquarters starts right now. >> and we begin with what is a dangerous heatwave that is gripping most of the western part of the nation. we are talking about triple digit temperatures and folks in death valley, california they are bracing for teches to hit 130 degrees today. that is close to a record set back 100 years ago. they are joining us live from santa monica, california where it is and cooler than death valley. dom nick? >> uma, people are taking to the ocean to coloff in santa monica beach. families are heading into the water. and marine

[applause] >> tonight, the house oversight committee debates whether irs official lois lerner waivedher fifth amendment rights at a hearing in may. immigration policy in the house. later, rand paul campaigns in south carolina. >> the house oversight committee today voted along party lines to pass a resolution saying that irs official lois lerner waived her right to remain silent. ms. lerner was in charge of the irs tax exempt organization office and is now on administrative leave. >> the committee will come to order. the committee meets today to consider a resolution to determine whether lois lerner waived her fifth amendment privilege against self- incrimination when she made a voluntary opening statement during the committee's hearing that began on may 22, 2013. the clerk will designate the resolution. >> the resolution on the committee on oversight and

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lois lerner did not attendtoda.ney denies she ever waived her right to invoke the fifth amendment adding, quote: it is just too bad that an issue like this gets put to a vote in a highly polarized forum, end quote. mike emanuel live for us on capitol hill. mike, the congressman who first objected to lois lerner's statement is pretty vocal again today. that's right, harris. tray gouty republican of south carolina. he rattled offer five assertions that lois lerner made in the process of telling lawmakers she was not going to be able to answer their questions. once again today gowdy was fired up and defended what lawmakers are doing. >> this is congress asserting its constitutional obligation to provide oversight. yes, she has a constitutional right to remain silent. and she could have invoked it. but she did not. and we have a constitutional obligation to provide oversight. >> fellow republican congressman john mica from florida said that lerner is the poster child of a bureaucrat thumbing her nose at congress and see

lois, on that note, thank you very much. michael, greatly appreciate it. we'll see what happens next and if some of these questions get answers. coming up, "news nation," it is the second highest court in the land and today president obama is calling on senate to confirm three lawyers he is nominating to the federal appeals court in washington. >>> there's no reason, aside from politics, for republicans to block these individuals from getting an up or down vote. >> it is safe to say the fight is on. plus, more than 150 demonstrators arrested outside the north carolina general assembly continuing the naacp's moral monday fight against what they call the extreme agenda of the state's republican leadership. >>> the world gets its first close-up view of the double amputee olympian of oscar pistorius. pistorius back in court today showing little emotion and we'll have more details of what happened. so many of you have already joining us with your thoughts on chris christie. let us know what you think. twitter me @tamronhall and atnewsnation and let us know on t

top irs official lois lerner took the fifth the last time she appeared before congress. a job. she's still not talking. at least so far. we have the latest on ore lip-o-status that might have actually changed today next up on "the kudlow report" we go to the irs. hey, look! a shooting star! make a wish! i wish we could lie here forever. i wish this test drive was over, so we could head back to the dealership. [ male announcer ] it's practically yours. test drive! [ male announcer ] but we still need your signature. volkswagen sign then drive is back. and it's never been easier to get a jetta. that's the power of german engineering. get $0 down, $0 due at signing, $0 deposit, and $0 first month's payment on any new volkswagen. visit vwdealer.com today. it's easy to follow the progress you're making toward all your financial goals. a quick glance, and you can see if you're on track. when the conversation turns to knowing where you stand, turn to us. wells fargo advisors. . >> i believe lois lerner waved her fifth aemtd privileges. >> yes, she has a constitutional right to

that was -- lois lerner. that was after the right she asserted privilege. >> they want to question her but what did exactly what the constitution allows her to. >> the law says the fact she made any statement at all constitutes a waiver of her constitutional rights, not just self-incripple nate. i beg to differ. i think that is constitutional right to thumb your nose. >> if she is called back she could provide answers or plead the fifth again. if she pleads the fifth again, then the committee could hold her in contempt and set in motion a separate phase of legal wrangling. >> gregg: molly, thanks very much. >> heather: weeks into the scandal and most americans are still not getting all the facts. so why hasn't attorney general eric holder appointed a special prosecutor to investigate? john a columnist for national review magazine, thank you for joining us. with seven weeks out from the agency's first disclosure that it had singled out in fact tea party groups seeking tax exempt status. congress, multiple hear

and that is directly contrary to what lois lerner said and lois lerner, as we can see, is directly above paz. she knows what holly's role is. does it raise different questions about lois's honesty? >> are you suggesting that lois lerner hasn't told the whole truth? of course. she is lying and i use that word intentionally, from the very beginning. wait she leaked the information this a coordinated q & a session she denied that was arrange bred hand. that was a lie. it was. she has not been telling the truth. the only thing she said before congress under oath, is i will say nothing, though i've done nothing wrong. lois lerner, steven miller, douglas shoeman, they all knew and had opportunity before congress, under oath, to sayre their knowledge of what was going on. there was a probe the ig investigation going on. they knew about the targeting. they fwaailed to mention it und oath to congress. it is systemic, dishonesty throughout the top, and the cover-ups worse than the crime, in this case that's debatable. they are both pretty bad. but cover-up is extensive. >> one wonders when lois le

lois lerner being on administrative leave is accountability?s lois lerner still being paid today. >> she is. martha: she is. there you have it. mark everson joins me now. he served as irs commissioner from 2003 to 2007. he is from alliant group. thank you for being back here today. >> thank you, martha. martha: what do you make of that? is that satisfactory? and how would you handle it this happened on your watch? >> well, the whole, event is really a sad story, martha. it is a bad chapter for the irs and for the country as a whole. as you know so many interact with the agency that they think of the irs as their government in many ways. so this is pretty terrible. there were three things that happened here. there were problems at the lowest level in cincinnati. and they do call for proper discipline as the congressman indicated. the issue here though there are very important civil service rules and laws, if you will that guaranty rights. so prompt investigations should be undertaken and then, let the chips fall where this may. then there were p

will you ask lois lerner to come and testify as you have?i think -- >> the public's trust is lost, about to take on obama care. will you have everyone, including roseman and lerner come forward? >> i've answered questions for the past two hours, i held a press conference the other day open to the press to ask me a lot of questions. the most important thing i can do right now is get back to work. >> the tea party groups, did they get any clearances about the urs targeting investigation. >> good to be back. >> what it was like for you sitting in the hearing today? >> well, it reminded me that if you are invited to a barbecue, make sure you are not the pig. commissioner werfel really caught it tow. and to be honest, he didn't give very good answers, complete answers, and he deserved a bit of grilling in my opinion. >> what did you want to hear answer answered? >> blew it right out of the gate when he said his own investigation if you will, internally in the irs, that he found no wrongdoing. this whole thing started with an apology for a wrongdo

the resolution finding lois lerner waived her fifth amendment provision on may 22nd, 2013 is approved. >> i'm not trying to make this more difficult than it should be. it's just that i think that when he would are dealing with -- i'm very sensitive to this constitution. because i wouldn't be here if it wasn't for it. >> lois lerner is, in fact, a poster child for thumbing her nose, a federal bureau craft thumbing her nose at congress. >> laura: learn his or her is on paid administrative leave could be called back to the committee and be held in contempt if she refuses to testify. with us now to analyze julianne epstein a democratic strategist. all right, it was on party lines they voted as i said to waive the privilege. dershowitz today, at alan dershowitz the esteemed harvard law professor says she risks being held in contempt of congress for her actions. he didn't think it looks like there was reasonable for her to invehicle the fifth amendment. if she doesn't come back and testify, she could find herself in a heap of trouble. >> she could find herful? a contempt proceeding. remembe

you wanted lois lerner back before your committee. let's go back and let's listen to what she said. >> i have not done anything wrong. i have not broken any laws. i have not violated any irs rules or regulations and i have not provided false information to this or any other congressional committee. >> john: she made a statement and then promptly took the fifth amendment declining to testify which is her right. you say, congressman, the way she did she waived her fifth amendment rights. you are a former prosecutor. what do you plan to do about it? >> well, you say that is her right. it is her right to remain silent. it is not your right to offer a lot of exculpatory information and say i'm not going to be subjected to cross-examination. the right to confront witnesses and cross-examine witnesses is also in the constitution. it's in the sixth million and not the fifth. what are we going to do? i would hope that lois lerner would feel motivated to share the information she has with congress, whether a proper or limited immunity agreement

lois first knew about this in june of 2011. is that right? >> that's correct. that's when she was first notified of the actual targeting that was taking place. >> but after consulting the treasury consulting with the white house, we didn't hear about it through her in a set up question in the aba until may 10th of 2013. >> right. and also initter veining in that -- intervening in that period of time she came up with another criteria to have it used for tax exemption that made it worse. in fact, some of the groups sitting in the audience with you today got put in this dragnet because of lois learner basically broadening to other conservative organizations and not just tea party groups to be in this dragnet of irs special review. she basically is responsible for doing that. >> and in march of 2013, doug shulman and the head of the irs assured the american people in congress this was not happening, correct? >> yes, in fact he did that a year ago in response to questions -- >> that's right, march 2012. that's correct. >> 2012. that's right. >> i want to ask you bot

lois lerner first knew about this in june of 2011. is that right? >> that's correct.'s when she was aware of ths targeting that was taking place >> sean: after consulting with theujyñr treasury, with the whie house, we didn't hear about it o her from her until may 20th of 2013. right. and also intervening in that period of time she came up withh another criteria to have the determinations unit used for tax exemption, which actually complicated and madee it it wor. in fact, some of the groupssit sitting in the audience with you today got put in thisç dragnet because of lois lerner basically broadening out to other conservative organizations, not just tea party groups, to be in this dragnet of irs special review. she basically is responsible for doing that. >> sean: and cleta, in march of 2013, doug shulman, then the head of the irs, assured the a american people and congress this was notres happening, corr? >> yes. in fact, he did that a year ago in response to questions fromque congressman jordan and others. >> sean: that's right. march 2012. >> 2012, uh-huh. that's

should lois lerner be called back to testify?stepped over the line when she took the fifth and said she was innocent? bill: issa was with us the other day and he pretty much said she'll come back. he says she waived her right to plead the fifth. well over 70% of americans we talked to look at this thing and go after it. martha: that will be interesting when she comes back. bill: another fox news alert. there is a leak investigation reaching the highest level of the armed forces. the former second highest ranking officer in the u.s. military, retired four star general james cartwright, he's the target after criminal leak investigation including a top secret cyber attack involving tehran. kt macfarland, a national security analyst with me now. he's the target of this investigation. give us the facts. >> if the fbi says you are a target of an investigation that means they have reason to believe that you know a lot about a crime that might have been committed and they are going to charge you for it. you a form four star general, numb

first we went this one up to lois lerner in d.c. the head of the national review showed that a team of lawyers in the technical unit known as tax law specialists were guiding this all along. now, today, we learn a source in the irs gave us a partial list of the 88 computers that investigators are looking at. includes the computers of irs chief counsel william wilkins who is one of the two political appointees aside from the irs commissioner in the obama administration, his two deputies and 14 other people. >> why would they be looking at his computer? what do they know? first of all, who is doing the investigations? the fbi? >> there are several -- we don't know which investigative committee asked to lock at wilkins' computer. there are several investigations going on right now. there is an investigation by the oversight committee, an investigation by the house ways and means committee. an investigation by the senate finance committee and lastly an investigation by the irs. >>> so there are four concurrent investigations going on ri

lois lerner first knew about this in june of 2011. is that right? >> that's correct.'s when she was aware of ths targeting that was taking place >> sean: after consulting with theujyñr treasury, with the whie house, we didn't hear about it o her from her until may 20th of 2013. right. and also intervening in that period of time she came up withh another criteria to have the determinations unit used for tax exemption, which actually complicated and madee it it wor. in fact, some of the groupssit sitting in the audience with you today got put in thisç dragnet because of lois lerner basically broadening out to other conservative organizations, not just tea party groups, to be in this dragnet of irs special review. she basically is responsible for doing that. >> sean: and cleta, in march of 2013, doug shulman, then the head of the irs, assured the a american people and congress this was notres happening, corr? >> yes. in fact, he did that a year ago in response to questions fromque congressman jordan and others. >> sean: that's right. march 2012. >> 2012, uh-huh. that's

lois lerner is on paid administrative leave. and former acting irs director steven miller was allowed to resign early. the investigation continues, but legal analysts say there is a reason why it's tough to fire government employees. >> thank you. >>> i think we as a society have always felt that people who work for the government, career workers, shouldn't be subject to changing political whims. so you don't want a situation where when one party comes into power, thousands and thousands of people clear out and thousands and thousands of new people come in. >> he says it can take months and years to fire a government employee after you go through the various stages of the appeal process. julie? >> molly henneberg, thank you very much. and so where do we go from here in the irs scandal? and all the other plaguing the white house? those are some of the topics tomorrow on fox news sunday when republican senator rand paul sits down with anchor chris wallace. you can watch it right here only on fox. >>> police say the woman charged w

lois lane is falling, accelerating at an initial rate of 32 feet per second per second. superman swoops down to save her by reaching out two arms of steel. miss lane, who is now traveling at approximately 120 miles an hour, hits them and is immediately sliced into three equal pieces. unless superman matches her speed and decelerates. in what space, sir? in what space? she's two feet above the ground. frankly, if he really loved her, he'd let her hit the pavement. it'd be a more merciful death. excuse me, your entire argument is predicated on the assumption that superman's flight is a feat of strength. are you listening to yourself? it is well established that superman's flight is a feat of strength. it is an extension of his ability to leap tall buildings, an ability he derives from exposure to earth's yellow sun. and you don't have a problem with that? how does he fly at night? oh, a combination of the moon's solar reflection and the energy-storage capacity of kryptonian skin cells. i'm just gonna go wash up. leonard: i have 2,600 comic books in there. i challenge you t

lois lerner first knew about this in june of 2011. is that right? >> that's correct.'s when she was aware of ths targeting that was taking place >> sean: after consulting with theujyñr treasury, with the whie house, we didn't hear about it o her from her until may 20th of 2013. right. and also intervening in that period of time she came up withh another criteria to have the determinations unit used for tax exemption, which actually complicated and madee it it wor. in fact, some of the groupssit sitting in the audience with you today got put in thisç dragnet because of lois lerner basically broadening out to other conservative organizations, not just tea party groups, to be in this dragnet of irs special review. she basically is responsible for doing that. >> sean: and cleta, in march of 2013, doug shulman, then the head of the irs, assured the a american people and congress this was notres happening, corr? >> yes. in fact, he did that a year ago in response to questions fromque congressman jordan and others. >> sean: that's right. march 2012. >> 2012, uh-huh. that's