what i told you before we couldn't make up lois lerner e-mails. we gave you all we had. >> you said ilgive them will give them all to you and then you said you lost them, you destroyed them. have you done anything to correct the record? >> we didn't lose them. they were lost in the period of time of 2012 and when we testified in june i testified that we waited the six weeks while we tried to provide you as much e-mails as we could and there were 24,000. >> put up slide 4. put up slide 4. this is the letter you sent. and you said, you can confirm that no backup tapes existed. so you confirmed that you couldn't get us all her e-mails and you've done nothing to correct the record when you told mr. chaffetz that you were going to give them all to us. and you waited two months to tell us you lost them. >> we waited six weeks so we could provide all the e-mails we could find. we provided you 24,000 e-mails from the time of her hard drive crash, and we didn't have tapes because they had been rerecorded over. >> one more question, mr. chairman, in the las

gerri: so lois lerner got $129300 in bonuses in three years. take a look at that number. would be a mistake. >> well -- [laughter] the federal employees' union is so protective of its charges that they literally put up all kinds of barriers to ever discipline any federal employee, ever garnishing their wages doing anything. it would cost you more in legal fees to try to get those bonuses back. what we really need to do is go look at the federal employment rolls and say, you know, if it's easy to hire and fire in the public sector, why shouldn't the government resemble it? gerri: if you don't pay your taxes boy, nobody's forgiving it, nobody's walking away because it's too expensive to collect. john thanks for coming on. >> thank you. gerri: coming up, is the world ignoring the war on christians? isis terrorists are attacking christians all over the middle east, but what's being done about it? where is the world's outrage? pastor john mcarthur weighs in coming up. there he is right there. stay tuned. ♪. spending time with him were the best memories of my life. and when he

it was later revealed that the first technician the irs assigned to search for those missing lois lerner legally blind. the judge, siding with the government, in october 2014 dismissed her suit altogether. but since then 32,000 lerner e-mails have been found in an irs storage facility. a criminal investigation is underway and engelbrect has appealed her lawsuit. she's as determined as ever to find out the truth. >> regardless of your political party affiliation, the thought that the irs would be weaponized against citizens is something that should send a chill down everyone's spine. so they hope we're going to forget, we're not. >> when we come back, we'll rejoin wayne hage whose family has been battling the government through six separate administrations administrations. how did his story end? or has it? >>> his final years had finally built up a new group of cattle. but now there was a new sheriff in town literally. >> i was informed by my deputies that they were going to do a cattle seizure. they didn't have a court order and they were doing a signature of oo bureaucrat and i told the

the irs figure lois lerner who ran the tax exempt section that had harassed conservative groups.s. >> yeah, that's right. back in 2010 mr. pilger was e-mailing with lois lerner saying, hey, maybe we should lock look at the possibility of prosecuting these groups for any false statements they make on their application here. so you know, you get the real sense that he's a true believer and i think that's something we should be very wary of. >> so kim, how should republican campaigns respond to this? >> well, look, you have to step back and put this in context. the irs and the justice department. this is all part and parcel, more broadly too. look at the disclosure laws that the obama administration has wanted to impose on corporations. this is not necessarily about keeping campaign finance law in good order. this is about shutting people up. it's about making them not talk, so republicans, that's going to be the threat to them. and they're going to have to i think continue operating as they normally do. if the justice department comes sniffing make an issue about this. most of the

disclosed his office received 32,000 e-mails from lois lerner. after it was determined it was dysfunctional, was destroyed in the normal process. >> was it physically destroyed? >> that's my understanding. >> reporter: testimony suggests the irs made a less than vigorous attempt to track down the e-mails. >> when you talk to the people in charge of them, they told you they were never even asked for them? is that correct? >> that's correct. >> reporter: investigators conceded the tsunami e-mails may be duplicates. democrats pounced on that. >> you are unable to confirm whether there are any, to use your own words new e-mails right? >> that's correct. >> so what's before us may be material you already have, right? >> that is correct. >> reporter: in a statement, the irs says it remains committed to cooperating fully with the investigations. if there's evidence of criminal wrongdoing found, it would be referred to a doj, which is in no hurry to complete an investigation of the irs. in washington, doug mckelway, fox news. >>> a teenager is found dead

the fact that recently, we discovered there were more takes found a few weeks ago that contain lois lerner e-mails from 2009-2010 when it started. all this happening from the internal revenue service. they have a lot of explaining to do. >> he said i thought they turned over all the e-mails. yes he has a lot of explaining to do. whose team is he on? is he trying to help the taxpayers have a system that works fairly and trying to get all the information or on some other team? >> he told us back in june that the back uptakes no longer existed. two weeks later the inspector general drove to west virginia and found 700 back up tapes. 32,000 of lois lerner's e-mails then 400 more back up tapes. they were going through the sequence of documents and a document was missing. they inquired ant got a document that led them to 400 additional tapes. he said in june no back up tapes exist. since that time we have found 1100 back up tapes. 400 of them discovered after we got a document they tried to with hold from us. last week, the inspector general's office said there's potentially criminal activity wi

. >> they found lois lerner's e-mail. what is next? >> he confirmed that tapes no longer existed.e said that to us in june of this last year. we have now found a leather and thousand tapes containing hundreds of ms. lerner's e-mails. we have to get ahold of these e-mails and find out what she said. what she was doing. we are waiting for the inspector general to turn that over to us. that should happen soon. they told us, there is potentially criminal act two that he. >> okay. very much at the center of the action. thank you very much, indeed. colonel ralph peters. never afraid to speak his mind. here is my question for him. 1115 eastern this program. let's get to that antibiotics story from mcdonald's. they are phasing out human antibiotics from their chicken supply line. barry is with us. >> mcdonald's does not always do the right thing. remember in the '90s they went from the big premium burgers. guess what, somebody wants to buy that at mcdonald's. i wish them the best of luck. i hope that this helps them. that is really not a recent why people go to mcdonald's. a reduced effec

koskinen, i know it was a year ago where the senior leadership learned that lois lerner's hard drive had crashed. there was an issue about getting her e-mails off backup tapes. you wrote a letter to senate finance in june of 2014 saying there were problems with lerner's e-mails, that the backup tapes had been destroyed. and then on june 20th you testified before the ways and means committee that the irs went to, quote great lengths and made quote, extraordinary efforts to recover lerner's e-mails. so let me ask you this, after the irs became aware that lerner's hard drives had crashed, what specific steps did the irs take to locate any backup tapes or disaster recovery tapes? >> the disaster recovery tapes at the irs are ordered over -- recorded over until they're no longer usable, so there is no technique or capacity in the irs to actually retrieve e-mails off of those tapes. what we did do was go to everybody in the what so-called custodial list at that point about 80 different people ms. lerner would have been communicating with. was we were looking all e-mails -- because we were l

>> lois lerner said i'm not targeting conservatives no. no. no.also saying we're not targeting gun store owners. in our hearing we learned it's rampant throughout the fdic. high level individuals are targeting all these legal businesses. this is antiamerican. and we in congress are going to push back on this. one point i want to make is when the fdic or bank regulators put pressure on the banks stop doing business. you ask why don't bank come forward? the banks can't tell you. they're prohibited from telling you what the fdic is telling them. the only way this sh going to come out on how the obama administration is getting around the second amendment and taking out gun dealers and ammunition manufactures is if us in congress expose it and you on fox tell the story. >> that's what we're doing today. congressman, do you have any evidence that somebody at the white house said okay, i got a brilliant idea, let's use the fdic to target companies we don't like. >> the fdic is an independent agency. we were doing meetings last week with some of the defen

you've got to a person head of the irs, lois lerner who defied congress, takes the fifth amendment.oes not explain her lost emails. you have got people in there who essentially just corrupt. the government is a corrupt, all of these agencies are corrupt. we the people don't do anything about it. through our representatives in congress, if you will forgive me who are part of the system. you know. >> well, you know, the house oversight committee is considering a bill that will penalize workers for not paying their taxes. hmmm. gee what a great idea. why did it take 200 years to get there? >> not only did they take 200 years to get there what makes it so sure it will work anyway? gerri: good point. >> they don't do -- follow bills in first place. person laughs at them. lois lerner was laughing at the committee investigating her essentially saying you're not going to find out anything. hillary clinton has done the same thing about benghazi. you know, you just, if you can't cover it up you obfuscate it giving them 35,000 pages of nothing. and it takes that long to get through it. the sys

the document, you couldn't figure out that there were more tapes out there with potentially more lois lernern them; is that correct? >> that would be accurate. >> okay, here now to explain further attorneys and fox news analysts kimberly guilfoyle and lis wiehl. so a very confusing situation as usual. but it looks like a coverup, right? >> here is what happened. the headline for me is that the inspector general. the person that audits the irs. they found 33,000 more emails. >> that's a lot of emails. >> exactly. here's what they did. the irs appeared in front of congress. irs given you all the emails. >> we don't have anymore. >> exactly. or they have been lost. they have been cleated. >> they are gone. >> whatever. so congress then goes back to the inspector general and says is that true? are there any more out there? inspector general get in a car go to -- drive to west virginia. they find all these documents. >> 33,000. >> yes. these emails. >> now we don't know yet guilfoyle, what's in them. right? >> well, no. now we have got to take the time to go through that what what an obstruction

. >> you will bet a doughnut all those emails lois lerner's already. won woman esp. >> see what's there and what should be done. we want to get to those facts. >> which is all perfectly fine. there is no innocuous explanation for this. it's not like she accidently set up her personal one and forgot to switch over to an official one. oh, by the way, every single person in the obama that administration sending emails to her over four years has to notice that it's not h. clinton at at state.gov. >> which is she needs to come out and tell us she didn't talk about this or the clinton foundation. she might as well in a her medically sealed. keeping her sealed until the presidential campaign. >> in looking at the campaign it, seems to me that people who hate hillary clinton will continue to hate her tonight with a little more ammunition. people who love her will say it's a witch-hunt. the real question is is the people sort of in the middle or the independence and whether this announce going to run for president whether a year from now we will be talking abou

lois lerner was then the person that went around that very safeguard that she structured. she said in an e-mail where she really was quite aggressive with one of her employees -- and this is after two times this three person panel said look we're not going to pursue it. she writes then. i reviewed the information and thought the allegations in the documents were really damning so wondered why we hadn't done something with the org. as i've told you before, i don't think your guys get it. mr. secretary, what is it that you have done other than calling this a phony scandal on national television, what have you done to make sure that lois lerner 2.0 is not possible? because to simply say well it is just a small group of rogue employees -- or frankly in your other interview when you say well these are no political employees were behind this. that is just hiding behind an adjective. you know that there are only two political appointments at the internal revenue service. one is the director and one is the gc. >> congressman i think if you look at the inspector general report that

when it comes to other people, lois lerner, the irs them and they are very forgiving and i would likethe consistency in terms of expectation. >> he is not the first person to plead guilty. john deutch, former cia, also pled guilty to similar offenses. what surprises me is that he got so caught up in this affair that he really derailed his entire career. >> yes, this goes to show why you never trust a man with a calm looking comb-over. [laughter] >> is supposed to be the head of the cia, she clearly has crazy eyes come you don't trust a woman with crazy eyes. and from what i understand, people were saying that she was acting kind of nutty, with them in afghanistan. kennedy: some guys like crazy. >> it's all that tang. >> he is like the top spy of the head of the cia. >> you never know what they will do. >> you know, you have to know -- kennedy: i hear that you are dating her reign. [laughter] >> catcher on the way up. you have to know. kennedy: going on up. moving on. thank you guys for being here. always a pleasure. i will see you both shortly. you never know when we have to scramble

loris learner says i -- lois lerner said i learned it by watching you. others saying we are just down here on a mission of growth and creating lots of jobs, lots and lots of jobs. >> and the follow-up would be a thank you note from susan saying thank you for throwing me under the bus. i love those sunday morning shows. >> there is so much dirt to be had there i would love to read them all. >> larry, is this a big deal or a really big deal? >> according to whose side of the deal you are on. people say that the clintons think they are above the law. they don't just think it, they are. so far nothing that anybody has ever hit them with has stuck. they are as asbestos or teflon. if she gets the nomination, i think it might matter to the policy wonks and the politicos leading up to it. if she gets the nomination like romney's 47% that said they are going to vote they will vote for her anyway. >> because free cell phones? free servers maybe? think of the freebies. >> just a little tote bag like away from the voting booth. that would be neat. >> silicon valley

lois lerner now has a job! [applause] i am thrilled to be back in new hampshire with so many friends. i appreciate you being here. these are extraordinary times. they are remarkable times. every one of us is here and we came out tonight because we are deeply concerned about the direction of the country. everyone of us is here because we are concerned about our kids and grandkids. there is, right now, and urgency to politics unlike anything we have ever seen. the next election is now or never. i do not think we have reached the point of no return yet. we are close. there comes a point where the whole is too deep. there comes a point where the debt is too great, liberties too far eroded, the world too far gone. i believe if we continue down the current path, we will risk losing the greatest country in the history of the world. now, the men and women here are assembled because none of us are willing to let that happen. none of us are willing to go quietly into the night. none of us are willing to let go and give u

in fact within this administration, people like lois lerner are said to have done it. we know the epa had dummy e-mail addresses -- >> dick windsor. or epa administrator was e-mailing everybody under the name of dick windsor. >> our friend richard windsor true story. so yes, the commonness of the practice of evading the requirements that you -- >> but wait, i see the point you're getting to. which is the fact that so many people are doing it. and under questionable circumstances. this doesn't excuse her. >> but this is different. >> let's start with the fact that what she's alleging is not true. it's unprecedented as far as we know for a government official to conduct all of their e-mail on their private e-mail. that usually is a supplement to or in addition to your government e-mail. >> a couple of skanky e-mails that you are doing a little something on the side. >> like the e-mails that barack obama was born in kenya. >> she had to do that off the other account. but the real deal here, and it's no joke, is the premeditation that was involved in this. it is not the fa

can get into that but the president's response as i learn from news reports like the e-mails of lois lerner but the question was good that was asked: were there two sets of rule one for the clintons and another for everyone else. that is the bottom line and why the coverage has been intense. other cabinet secretaries, sure, they have personal e-mail accounts but they have official, too. she had personal, only, for four years and no one in the white house was e-mailed about this saying, wait the rest of us have this. >> the media is left and right and center treating this as a big scandal. does it deserve the coverage it is getting? >> it is started off as an inside the beltway story with the "washington post" and "new york times" and even if you worked at the white house you knew better to use personal e-mails for government business. however, the story has legs because the media is hungry for answers and want to know were they deleted? why did she we violate what it said in the manual of making sure not to use personal e-mail for conducting government business? this can keep exploding, esp

lois lerner came in the same hospital as the president and destroyed and melted the irs servers. >> that's very possible. it is also very not possible and possibly. gavin, is this much a do about nothing? how are you feeling? >> it shows her shear audacity and the gigantic ego. if anyone works at they corporation whether it is mtv or chipotle as a manager they all know they have their company phone. they know that every e-mail they send that says it at the end is public as far as the private company goes. everyone gets their e-mails are going to be seen. she didn't casually get a private account. she knew she was doing something wrong and she didn't care. because the only people who vote for her are basically women who are voting for her because she is a woman and people enjoy the fact that she wants a welfare state and they want a handout they don't care. she can murder somebody. >> again jie. and you can argue that even if you have the government e-mail you can still use your private e-mail for a lot of these things. that's what her spokesperson said. colin powell said the same thing. he

. >> i don't know much it will be fascinating to see if she complies or just like lois lerner's serverdent in calling for the third party there are a lot of questions about benghazi. what happened with the military response. why was there this video excuse, et cetera. mr. gowdy says that there are months and months of emails that are missing but we will see if she complies. >> they were just yoga emails: >> if he shoe doesn't turf over the server what could potentially happen. as mary mentioned it's not the server itself. it's the concealment of evidence that could be on the server. >> it's really going to play badly with the american people. we have to keep in mind she is the head of an agency. that means she is the person that the buck is supposed to stop with for preserving records are for protecting them. she hasn't made good on that basic obligation it blows my mind that we would trups her to funnel through the emails and pick out which one she shares. >> she will accidently spill coffee on it. i'm waiting for that one. also news in another hillary clinton controversy. "wall stree

it will play out like the lois lerner scandal. terrence says what's the big deal, give her a break.e says she wants the public to see her e-mails. karen, are you stupid? she sifted through the ones she didn't want you to see. that's why she used her personal e-mail, so she could do whatever she wanted. anyway, thanks for the great responses. i loved reading what you think. make sure you log on and send me your thoughts on tonight's show. and check out my thoughts on all the news throughout the week. great behind-the-scenes photos. and this week some pictures from my amazing trip to the resort in l.a., california. that's why my eyes are bloodshot because i took the red eye and landed this morning. but that's it for us tonight. and remember you don't ever have to miss "justice." just set your dvr. tell your friends to do the same. thanks for joining us. remember, friend me on facebook, follow me on twitter. see you next week. i'll be eh, you don't want that one. yea, actually i do. it's mucinex fast-max night time and it's got a nasal decongestant. is that really a thing? it sounds ma

what is also interesting about this to me, the -- it's sort of the lois lerner missing e-mail situation, so you can have all kinds of congressional investigations going on for months on this matter. what's interesting about this also is you're hearing about these scandals, and the foreign money that the clinton foundation took while she was secretary of state. while at the same time she's invisible. you're not hearing about her issues her tax plan or plan for education or what she would do to reset with russia, but her silence in terms of policy and scandal out in public. >> juan i'm always interested in how you're going to defend this. >> i don't think i have to defend it. i think it's wrong. i don't think there's any question about that. i'm sorry? >> foreign money you have a problem with? >> the foundation? i have terrible trouble. in fact, i've said that to you. i don't think that's good. i think that's basically influence peddling, especially foreign governments who can get their hooks into somebody who will be president of the united states one day. the other side of this story is

so lois lerner is going over ted cruz's returns?e, be nice and flirty next time you are audited. does this surprise you at all? >> well, it seems their security was worse than hillary clinton's e-mail server. this is incredible that -- a mom-and-pop business that had nothing worth stealing would not let a former employee log. in and the irs has got this data worth a fortune on the black market. you can sell it to identity thieves, business rivals, political enemies, and they're just letting people log. in a disgruntled fired employee can log in and sell the data. kennedy: some of the most sensitive data out there. what rivals it is what's on the healthcare.gov website. >> i've written about this before, the irs and the odd place it occupies within our debate. when the patriot act was passed we had over and over again, the government would be spying on book records. i don't want that to happen either for what it's worth. that seems never to have happened in the last 12, 13 years, and yet every year you are obliged to send all of the

it could be nothing, it could be something that leads to the support of the allegations of what lois lerneris alleged to have done. she testified before she took the fifth and there were statements about whether she arguably effectively took the fifth after making those statements. do you think we'll get answers directly from her? >> even if we did, do we believe them? this is the game that moves as you play. there is no indication that we can believe any word that comes out of any of their mouths. give us the data and let us see for ourselves. that's where this is at. someone weaponized the irs against private citizens. we need to know who was calling those shots. >> we're told that. the oversight committee was told, quote irs employees had not asked computer technicians for these tapes. they had not even asked for them. do you think, as this begins to trickle out, you mentioned it's been five years, that those connected to this issue are simply going to run out the clock and there will be no accountability? >> i think that's absolutely the plan. they're hoping that america forgets forgets

in fact within this administration, people like lois lerner are said to have done it. we know the epa had dummy e-mail addresses -- >> dick windsor. or epa administrator was e-mailing everybody under the name of dick windsor. >> our friend richard windsor true story. so yes, the commonness of the practice of evading the requirements that you -- >> but wait, i see the point you're getting to. which is the fact that so many people are doing it. and under questionable circumstances. this doesn't excuse her. >> but this is different. >> let's start with the fact that what she's alleging is not true. it's unprecedented as far as we know for a government official to conduct all of their e-mail on their private e-mail. that usually is a supplement to or in addition to your government e-mail. >> a couple of skanky e-mails that you are doing a little something on the side. >> like the e-mails that barack obama was born in kenya. >> she had to do that off the other account. but the real deal here, and it's no joke, is the premeditation that was involved in this. it is not the fa

i guess what happens is when you're at the agency and you're lois lerner, you lose all your emails buts to everybody else's once you're gone maybe. gerri: that's the way that works. here's what we see in this report. lacks in requiring good passwords. like 123. 456 kind of thing. passwords aren't changed very often. here at fox, they're changed all the time. and too many people have access to critical data. it seems to me, if you're dealing with the nation's financial information, you might want to think about having stricter standards. what do you say? >> for 20 years the irs has tried to revamp its computer systems. >> what happened? >> well they never seemed to get it right. and now we have a situation where obamacare is forcing the agency to take on many new responsibilities. not their fault. so millions of people are potentially going to be fined because they don't have health insurance. that means that only about 43% of people who call into the irs for tax advice are going to get an answer. because they're no longer forced on their core mission. they're focused on enforcing obama

if lois lerner had only thought of this. after 90 days, all your emails just disappear.omo wants an auto delete for emails. why would that be? frankly i have no idea why. they must take up a lot of space or they can be a tad incriminating. i'm kind of betting joe, that this is a way to save him from some lawsuits. >> you know what i'm a fan of andy cuomo. why because he's italian? no. neil: if you want to continue this way where you continue yourself. >> i like cuomo, he governs in a -- thank you for clearing that up. he ticks off the left and right. goes right down the middle. this is wrong. this is wrong. you can't delete. imagine if we did that. neil: i tried. i tried. talking about o'reilly. it's still out there. oh, my god. i'm just thinking, there has to be a reason for this. and none of the reasons make sense. i talked to our it guys and that means technical guys and they say really it's not a matter of saving that much. it's not a room thing. it's not a space thing. >> yeah. neil: it's no big deal. >> although, when i think of my personal life, i wouldn't mind so

lois lerner was then the person that went around that very safeguard that she structured. she said in an e-mail where she really was quite aggressive with one of her employees -- and this is after two times this three panel -- this three-person panel said, look, we're not going to pursue it. she writes then. i reviewed the information and thought the allegations in the documents were really damning so wondered why we hadn't done something with the org. as i've told you before, i don't think your guys get it. mr. secretary, what is it that you have done other than calling this a phony scandal on national television, what have you done to make sure that lois lerner 2.0 is not possible? because to simply say well it is just a small group of rogue employees -- or frankly, in your other interview when you say said, well these were -- no political employees were behind this. that is just hiding behind an adjective. you know that there are only two political appointments at the internal revenue service. one is the director and one is the gc. >> congressman i think if you look at

she has to destroy the stuff and tell lois lerner how to destroy a server.troy this stuff whether it was originally proposed. i don't know how you can do that. stuart: we don't know if 55,000 pages is everything. judge napolitano: we believe they are two long time and as to spend intelligent personal aides have been going through the e-mails. under the law they are not permitted to do that binge that is the property of the government, that is not for mrs. clinton to began choose what she will review lorie kane. stuart: may are some up and say hillary clinton has another big problem? judge napolitano: yes she does. not caused by her husband. liz: especially with the clinton delegation raising money from foreign governments can $6 billion in taxpayer money vanished through private contractors on her watch as secretary of state. stuart: we had the benjamin netanyahu speech, general david petraeus revelation from you and thank you very much the executive authority going around congress to raise taxes. what am i missing? hillary clinton on the e-mails. judge napo

oversight committee is going to do what they did in this -- in the congressional committees with lois lerner. they thought the e-mails were gone there as well and they were not. he has to get possession of the servers and find out who the third parties were, who installed them, who maintained them and forensic teams have to go through this. nothing is ever really gone. a perfect example was in the irs investigation. >> that's a great point to bring up and what do you think, jessica, should they continue to move forward on this or republicans drop this? they're walking a fine line in terms of the election as well. >> whether or not they should drop it or not doesn't matter, they're not going to drop it. i'm not saying it's not worth further investigation. but i think, you know, hillary clinton has said that she's perfectly willing to come forward and to talk to the american public about the content of her e-mails and what went on there. so trey gowdy should take her up on that and we should hear what she has to say for herself. not just if iing it and maybe they're not gone forever. but maybe

as we learned from lois lerner, even deleted e-mails can be found.y going to call her as a witness before her select committee. >> i think at this point it is very important that they take the lead on this investigation. they have the expertise. people will be focused on that investigation. >> thank you for joining us, sir. we will see you again soon. as client. that is a big newsbreak. he will make his case on the big newsbreak at 1230 today on this program. robert durst agreed to extradition. hbo and what sounded like a mobile confession from durst. listen. >> i killed them all. of course. stuart: it was kind of mumbled. charlie gasparino is here. who is robert durst? >> the brother of doug durst. one of the biggest real estate empires. essentially, started-great-grandfather. brought into the realm of being one of the biggest by the fathers. robert hearst used to work for the family business about 10-15 years ago. robert durst is believed to have killed three people. his wife in the 1980s. she disappeared from his house in westchester county. he mu

she's going to have to account for it and i see another lois lerner situation where emails will be missingfound and they'll try to stonewall this and it's not going to work. martha: if she decides to run which looks like she's very interested in obviously there's going to be a lot of questions about security, about documents that she would have been privy to as secretary of state that may have floated across to that server. >> the problem she's going to have is those -- i mean how can she account for what we don't know? how can she prove that everything has been turned over given the fact she didn't have a simple government account? things were different 20 years ago. we live in a world now where much communication is by email, condoleeza rice did not use email very much at all but now we use it all the time. she has to come forward and explain her thinking about this. martha: look at this from the former press secretary. he said it's highly unusual. i think it's something they'll have to explain in good measure today and probably try to figure out how to get as many back as they can. my q

lois lerner now has a job. i'm thrilled to be back in new hampshire with so many friends. i appreciate y'all being here. these are extraordinary times. they're remarkable times. every one of us is here we came out tonight because we're deeply concerned about the direction of this country. every one of us is here because we're concerned about our kids and grandkids. there is right now, i think an urgency to politics unlike anything any of us have ever seen before. this next election in 2016, i believe it is now or never. i don't think we've reached the point of no return yet but we are close. there comes a point where the hole's too deep. there comes a point where the debt is too great where our liberties have been too far eroded, where the world is too far gone. and i believe if we continue four or eight more years down this current path we will risk losing the greatest country in the history of the world. now, the men and women here are assembled because none of us are willing to let that happen. none of us are willing to go quietly into the night. none of us are willing

consider, lois lerner and who knows what other officials in the obama administration illegally used the of the federal government, to harass and even prosecute individuals. they were illegally coordinating these illegal activities with the department of justice the fec and who knows what other agencies. to cover up evidence, they destroyed government property. they lied at the white house and they committed perjury on capitol hill. watergate was a political paper cup by comparison. the radicals have shown their fangs. they will do anything, using any means at their disposal, legal or otherwise, to control our very freedom of speech. ponder this carefully. when the state uses its power to destroy any political opposition, spying on and silencing through threats and criminal prosecution, is it all that different from the east german stazi? talk radio is arguably the strongest weapon in the conservative arsenal, so the radicals want it destroyed. they first tried to revive the fairness doctrine which, if enacted, would have put this industry out of business. when that effort was derailed,

. >> did lois lerner use a personal -- how did we lose all of hers? do you remember?e they looked into that. please. >> do you have one e-mail? >> i have many e-mail addresses. i have nbc e-mail addresses, "new york times" e-mail addresses, gmail addresses. >> total shell game. you're not going to pin him on anything. >> i have one. i have a hard time doing one. >> i only have one and it's a business one. >> what's on there? >> that's what i mean. our guest host this morning as we -- well we've just been speaking with him. so he's here. david rubenstein. the co-ceo of the carlyle group. is there anything that we were supposed to cue you on today? >> not that i'm aware of. in our world we have to keep our e-mails really very five years. and then really keep them for ten years. so anybody that comes in like the government can come in and get the mails. it's great for the government to look at your e-mails, not great for us. but that's the law. >> we've talked about schwartzman's what was it $690 million, god bless him. but it begs the question about is it fair do you re