that lois lerner was guilty of anything. all it talks about is all about what the politicians on those committees said. they're not real lawyers. they're just talking politics, when a person can claim immunity or not, fifth amendment, and, also, the guy who is head of that committee, he is the one that jumped out a week or so ago wanting to be . eaker of the house he's always attacking the internal revenue service, the government, obama. his partner from utah he thought was going to beat obama. he didn't. this lady is just talking a lot of hoopla. also, the i.r.s., it was found that that department that lois lerner worked in was scrutinized and not only the conservative groups but they were scrutinizing all of the groups who were applying for those tax-exempt statuses. this lady with that examiner, that newspaper she works for, that's a bunch of trash. host: all right. we'll have to leave it there. sarah westwood? guest: well, the criteria that the i.r.s. used to go after political groups, it was called the bolo list, the be

. >> that was not the case with lois lerner. now she has been cleared and is just collecting a pension. which gets a to my question has anybody involved in fired, find, denied a bonus, or even spoken to in a stern manner. you say everything is fine. >> it is not fine but it is not the problem of political targeting but a fact that the recommendations you make or we are implementing is we need to have a better operation to ensure it doesn't happen. she had political views that she has a right to let had no right to have them expressed during working hours. the justice department talk to 100 employees that was no one influenced by her views and it is important to understand what the facts are. i would not minimize the impossible or unacceptable way that the applications were delayed. we are committed to lowering that time down to 112 days. >> my time is up which means your time is up now. tenacity, and i admire your position. organizationeat that you ought to take part here in washington called the flatter society. chairman, sever

thing, after lois lerner was not prosecuted by the justice department and after getting their signalobama and the white house that the new attorney general can only distinguish loretta lynch from holder for one thing. he was a man and she's a woman and she is getting the signal now not to indict or do anything to hillary. there is no justice in the country. the republicans on the other hand were all still waiting for a message that really, really resonates with a country in resolt and i don't think we have seen it yet because we have not seen the narrative. >> the back room deal and the budget. >> hence it would have been the conclusion that hillary is effectively a done deal for the nomination as john so articulately stated. >> a country in revolt. we tried training fighters outside of syria to take on the savages inside that troubled country. it didn't work. now the united states is going in, including a small group of special operations forces on the ground to see if they can get the job done that way. the fox news political insiders are coming back and john is already shaking his

he's impeded the investigation for months he kept information about lois lerner's e-mails away from congress. he should have been fired by president obama. since he's the president's lap dog the president won't do it. that's why we have impeachment in the constitution. congress needs to act. >> bill, go ahead. >> we should use the high crimes and misdemeanor trials for people who can't be fired like a judge or the president himself. if mike doesn't like the way the president is running the irs, vote republicanle in the next election. >> there are so many individual s of people who can get around the legal process and withhold stuff. isn't it time to put your foot down and make a case of it. >> this is why the approval ratings are in there and why republicans are mad at it. they don't know how to operate the power of the purse. when governmentings agencies, especially the irs engages in criminal actions. it goes before congress and flips them el the bird. they have to take severe action. obama won't do it. >> this hasn't happened in a while. >> 1876 was the last time. in this case it was the

questions no doubt about benghazi, planned parenthood, solyndra, operation fast and furious and lois lerner at the irs. these are not matters that affect a whole lot of our constituents but you will hear questions about them and comments, anyway. my advice to you that you don't need is stick to the facts and the law and you'll be fine. we know that some members are displeased with the outcome of the department's investigation into the lois lerner matter but we also know that your investigators were as thorough as can be. they conducted over 100 interviews, collected more than one million pages of documents and closely analyzed almost 500 applications for tax-exempt status. some members may wish your predecessor had appointed a special counsel to investigate the matter both both the plain texts of the applicable regulations is and the congressional research tell us otherwise the facts of the case did not involve senior administration officials. they did not present a conflict of interest to the department of justice and so the appointment of a special counsel was simply not appropriate in th

in the case of the referral of lois lerner for contempt, the u.s. attorney failed to comply with that law under your predecessor. are you willing to comply with that law? are you willing to have the current u.s. attorney comply with 2 usc 194 which very clearly says shall have the duty, not may, not can make an independent decision about whether or not that individual has done wrong or should be held in contempt. will you comply with 2 usc 194 and instruct your u.s. attorney to bring that contempt before congress? >> congressman -- >> before the grand jury. >> congressman, i believe that matter has been reviewed by the u.s. attorney at the time and a prosecutorial decision was made. >> again, it states that it shall be the duty of the relevant u.s. attorney to bring before the grand jury. the u.s. attorney did not do so. is it your opinion that shall do in a law passed by both houses of the congress and signed by the president is a discretion? >> i believe that the matter was reviewed by the former -- >> ma'am, when something says that you or your e

lois lerner's hard drive had crashed and they didn't have all of her e-mails. the irs waited until june of that year, june of 2014 to tell congress. in that four-month time period between when they learned that her hard drive had crashed and they didn't have all her e-mails and june, when they told us, in that four-month time period, mr. koskinen testified twice and did not disclose the fact they knew her hard drive had crashed. one month later, in march of 2014, the irs destroys 422 backup tapes. just so you understand the fact pattern, they know on february 2nd, her hard drive has crashed, they don't have her e-mails, 30 days later they destroy 422 backup tapes with three preservation orders in place. in fact, one of those preservation orders came from the justice department. ten months before that, you had told them, hey, preserve all the documents, preserve all the e-mails, we've got an investigation going on. there were two other preservation orders as well. so three preservation orders and two subpoenas. that sure looks like john koskinen and the internal

in the case of the referral of lois lerner, for contempt, the u.s. attorney failed to comply with that law under your predecessor. are you willing to comply with that law? are you willing to have the current u.s. attorney comply with 2 usc 194, which very clearly says shall have the duty. not may. not can make an independent decision about whether or not that individual has done wrong or should be held in contempt. will you comply with 2 usc 194 and instruct your u.s. attorney to bring that contempt before congress? >> congressman -- >> before the grand jury. >> congressman, i believe that matter has been reviewed by the u.s. attorney and a prosecutorial decision was made. >> again, 2 usc 194 states that it shall be the duty of the relevant u.s. attorney to bring before the grand jury. the u.s. attorney did not do so. is it your opinion that shall do in a law passed by both houses of the congress and signed by the president is a discretion? >> congressman, i believe the matter was reviewed by the former -- >> no, ma'am. i'm asking you for a decision.

nothing is going to happen to lois lerner and nothing is going to happen to these guys. >> it's our amazing country has digressed to that point. no one trusts the federal government. nobody trusts the federal government anymore. >> do you think if marco rubio became president rubio, should he pursue the irs, not for you, but say do not do this? >> not for my sake, but you send a message the all the agencies that you make the appointments of those agencies and i think that you -- we need a president that is not vindictive, is not going to punish his enemies because we're all americans. we're not the enemy. i think that it was hillary clinton who said that the enemy are the republicans. well, we're americans. we cannot be the enemy. reach out to all americans. if you're the president and if marco rubio becomes president -- i know he will. >> they all speak how we'll kumbaya. never works out. >> but i think if somebody actually reaches out, i think it would work out. they say they'll reach out, but they never do. i think people will join marco rubio's campaign because of -- he's analyzed the f

lois lerner is walking free. she is targeted, by conservative groups and religious groups.s no punishment for her. she should be imprisoned for abuse of power. i would like your of none that. i absolutely agree with the first part that you said. that is the way our society used to look at it. if you did your time, you paid your debt to society. when you got out of prison you did not permanently lose your right to vote, like happens in several states around the country. and you were allowed to work. to live inowed public housing, other housing. i think we need to go back to the way we used to view people after they served their time. in terms of lois lerner, as far as i understand it, they looked at all of those charges, those accusations and found that they were unfounded. i don't think she should go to jail after the charges were found to be unfounded. last week he said that they were going to start an effort to impeach the current thecommissioner over e-mails of lois lerner, etc.. guest: that doesn't surprise me. [laughter] guesthost: care to say more? guest: what we have

in the case of the referral, lois lerner, for contempt the us attorney failed to comply with that law your predecessor. are you willing to comply with that law? are you willing to have the current us attorney comply with two usc 194 which clearly says shall,, not me, not can make an independent decision about whether or not that individual has done wrong or should be held in contempt. will you comply with two usc 194 that is structure us attorney to bring that contempt before congress? >> congressman, i believe that matter has been reviewed by the us attorney and the prosecutorial decision was made. >> again, it states that it shall be the duty of the relevant us attorney to bring before the grand jury. is it your opinion that shall do in a law passed by both houses of congress and signed by the president is a discussion? >> congressman, i believe the matter was reviewed. >> am asking you, when something says that you or your employees shall do something, do you believe that his discretion? >> sir, as i indicated, and thein the exercise of prosecutorial discretion the matter was handl

he had an active twitter account writing about hillary clinton, and lois lerner.e packed so much in and he was not an old man. what's the reaction in washington to this news. reporter: bob corker says fred never forgot where he came from and our state and country miss his common sense approach to public service. steve cohen said despite our political differences fred was always encouraging to me and i valued our friendship. he was 73 years old. martha: the watergate hearings, he said were there any recording device in the oval office? that was a question that changed the entire investigation. he will be remembered for that. bill: the debate over future debates continue. the candidates hammering out what they want to see changed. carl cameron standing by with the latest on that. martha: what caused a russian airliner to crash in egypt. a fatal flaw in the plane or possibly a terrorist attack? >> i think an engine problem sounds like something more significant to me than a terrorism issue. you can't scownltd all this but we would have a good feel for fit was terrori

in the case of the referral of lois lerner for contempt the u.s.ailed to comply and your predecessor are you willing to comply with that law? a willing to of the current u.s. attorney comply with 2usc194 that clearly says shall have the jury -- the duty not the independent decision or the word may. will you comply with 2usc194 >>. >> that matter has been reviewed. >> again. 2usc194 states it shall be the duty of the relevant u.s. attorney to bring before the grand jury they did not do so. shall do in a lot pasturable houses and signed by president is a discretion? >> the matter was reviewed. >> i am asking you to you or your employees shall do something is that discretion >> as indicated in the exercise of prosecutorial discretion it was handled and resolved. >> then we simply disagree on the meaning of shall and shawl and may in the thesaurus are synonyms? is that correct? is that decided by your choice? you shall tell me that show was something of a discretion. shall is you will do. >> in the exercise of prosecutorial discretion that decision was

levels to targeting conservatives and pro-israel groups by the irs, including but not limited to lois lerner? >> okay. thank you, congressman. with respect to -- the first two, stingrays and encryption, we'll get you information for the record. with respect to solyndra, first of all, just to clarify something, the fbi doesn't make decisions to prosecutor. we investigate, bring the evidence to prosecutor. >> i appreciate that. but there is either a decision to refer for prosecution or not, and to the extent there was one, i would like the evidence that it was referred but not prosecuted to the extent that there was a decision not to refer one or more that would be helpful. i appreciate that the or part of justice handles the other part. and we will have the attorney general here shortly. >> got ya. we worked the solyndra matter, we, the fbi, very, very hard, and had it reviewed by two different u.s. attorneys' offices, one in california, one in new york, who both made the same decision that there was insufficient evidence to bring prosecutions. probably limited in what i can say about the det

her why the department of justice decided not to prosecute the former irs chief of this division lois lernerdal. they may also ask about the fbi's investigation into hillary clinton's e-mail. >>> and it ain't over till it's over. yankees legend and hall of fame catcher yogi berra will be post ummously awarded the medal of freedom. he's known for his wit, winning ten championships and serving during the navy. during the normandy invasion he died back in september. 16 other americans, including barbra streisand and steven spielberg also set to get that award, the highest civilian honor this will happen next week. of course, accomplished artist, yogi berra in a league of his own. >> do you remember this, though? you had his daughter here while he was alive saying give my dad the presidential freedom medal because he served in the military with this outstanding american and outstanding yankee. they were thinking about it. now they give it to him. they had an opportunity when he was still alive. >> in part due to her efforts. >> along with spielberg and streisand. >> let's look at two bodies of w

of personnel management is packed their of the dog ate my homework nobody except responsibility lois lernerdoes herself with the irs nobody still has said that is wrong. my dad i will fix that. we have problems i was governor of california -- florida a child is lost it was heartbreaking my first impulse was on to say that is the investigative workers problem but to say when a child is lost it is my responsibility i am governor. i did not personally lose this child is under my watch so we major that never happened again. is a much broader question the other thing i would say is you are president you are in the white house it is a pretty good to live you want to bring people together so the story i tell is of republican senator invited by the white house to have dinner with the president said he goes up the elevator to the second floor and that aid says senator you are the first republican he has had dinner with in the residence since he has had present when dash and he's been president of this is the fifth year. think about that first woman president congratulations and you try to get someth

they learn on february 2nd, 2014, that lois lerner's hard drive had crashed and they don't have her e-mails then they destroy the backup tapes. if that's not evidence of deliberating concealing and destroying information, what is it? >> thank you, congressman. with respect to the matter that you've raised, as we set forth in our letter, we did review the issues surrounding ms. lernor's e-mails and the backup tapes. as with every criminal investigation, we're looking for evidence of criminal intent and we're looking for evidence of the specific reasons for why the actions that you note -- >> how many times do you have directed evidence of intent in any other type of fraud investigation? what were you looking for? an e-mail where the commissioner sends an e-mail to the guys in the tape room and says, destroy the tapes? you had preservation orders, one of which came from the justice department. 30 days after that, they destroy 422 backup tapes. that's not enough to take it to a grand jury? >> certainly it was a matter under review, congressman. we've outlined in our letter the findings of the

if lois lerner does her stuff in the irs we still haven't had somebody say that was wrong.i will fix it. we have problems when i was governor in florida but the child was lost. it was heartbreaking. my first impulse wasn't to say that the investigative workers problem. my first impulse was when a child is lost it's my responsibility. i'm governor. i didn't personally lose this child but it's under my watch so we are about fixing things to make sure it doesn't happen again. it's a much broader question than just who would be hired. so your president in the white house if you want to bring people together a story that i tell all the time is about the republican senator republican senator was invited by the white house to have so he's going up the elevator to go up to the residence the second floor and the aide to president obama says that the fifth-year. now think about it by the first woman president, congratulations and you're trying to get something done you invite an important senator to come have dinner with you you don't think that you can convince the person how can i