irs boss lois lerner illegally targets. never really held accountable.ething attorney general eric holder refused to explain. >> when did you interview lois lerner? where did the interview take place, who was the personnel who conducted the interview at the justice department? and at any time during the interview did she exercise her fifth amendment rights and refuse to answer questions? >> because this is an ongoing matter i'm not going to answer those questions. >> you can't answer -- well, let me ask you this, did you interview lois lerner? >> as i said, this is ongoing matter and i'm not going to comment on ongoing matter. >> mr. holder never clarified the situation to the american people. something he was honor bound to do. but president obama did make a statement. when i asked him about the irs deal. >> you are saying no corruption, none? >> no. there was some -- there was some bone headed decisions after. >> but no mass corruption. >> not even mass corruption. not even a smidgen of corruption. >> okay. talking points believes there is now enough e

>> that's the lois lerner. that's the lois lern chapter. where the irs 501(c)(4) i think corporations were targeted. and the funny thing is the ones that had a hard time getting their permits or their licenses -- >> was this added after the lois lerner? >> yeah, absolutely. that was the result of the lois lerner thing. to say with all the stuff we've got going on in terms of tax collection and taxpayer assistance and all that, this should be about here -- >> sure. >> on your priority schedule. sure that it's here on it through the appropriations process, so you haven't got any money to update that reg. >> getting back to the obamacare, i know you're not a big fan. many people are not. in your estimation, though, how likely is it it will truly be repealed in the new year by congress? >> first of all, when you hear presidential candidates on both sides say it's like with all due respect, it is a law that has been enacted by congress. so no executive can repeal it on the first day, the fifth day, the whatever day. it has to be modified by cong

they are administrating parts for health care, we have the likes of lois lerner that are making some horrible decisions that have been punitive against pro-american groups. time and time again, we have seen what our tax policy has done to our economy. 1% economic growth is not a good result. we need tax and regulatory reform and we have to get back to our last best place of success when we had to o'neill and ronald reagan, two great bipartisan's work together for -- true bipartisan tax reform that ushered in the largest and the longest economic boom in u.s. history. mr. nolan: this is probably one of the issues where we could not disagree more strongly. my opponent favors more tax breaks for the superrich and wall street billionaires. i oppose them. i think their taxes should be increased. they have benefited enormously from the readiness of our nation and they should be willing to step up and pay their fair share. which many of us would argue they are not. in minnesota we found, for example, people making 20,000 dollars to $50,000 a year are paying up to 33% on average in a combinat

lois lerner, they just thumb their nose at the rule of law. pertains to you and i and the everyday guy. but it doesn't apply to them. this is very dangerous and disheartening. the courts are corrupt. it is all throughout the federal government. only donald trump gets a chance to break up the cartel and return power back to the states to the people. >> as a pastor. when we see john podesta is discussing infiltration of the catholic church. these are people that can't say radical islam, interestingly sgefl can't have any surveillance of controversial mosques. they want to infiltrate catholic church with their progressive ideology with the purpose of fomenting a revolution. wow. >> i'm amazed but not surprised. the bible seeks of deeds being done in darkness and deeds being brought to the light. if donald trump's campaign has done anything, it exposes the corruption. not only in the upper levels of government. she won't say radical islamic terrorist. do you see she wouldn't say it no matter what? she would not say those words. but they talk about

there was not necessarily any intent, and you bring in kate duvall, the person who was looking at lois lerner's e-mails, and you bring other people from williams and conley, displace the federal workers, the traditional people who are used to doing this, and these people, they're not partisans. they call it a shadow government. yeah, i got a problem with that. of course congress is going to do its constitutional duty and we're going to get to the truth of this. the fbi still has not provided all of the 302s. >> so you're going to hold hearings on this after the election? >> absolutely. as soon as we can. >> you're not going to do it before the election, right? >> i wish i could. but the election is getting in the way. >> so we'll stand by for that. congressman, as usual, thank force joining us. >>> just ahead, melania trump tells cnn her husband's comments about groping women are "boy talk." voters have heard it from trump and his advisers. will it have a different impact coming from trump's wife? >>> plus, "saturday night live" spoofs the second presidential debate. >> number three, women can'

legal for them to have to begin with and, you know, being a paranoid republican you wonder is this lois lerner at the irs slipping things out the back door. you have to remember some of this is not coming from exactly the trump objective journalism that's out there. it's coming from very partisan things. "the new york times" is practically a hillary clinton super pac these days. >> are you saying if he did not -- if it is true, that he did not pay federal income taxes for almost two decades, that would be illegal? >> that would be illegal if he wasn't paying and complying with the tax code. there's no allegation, even from "the new york times," that he's not complying with the tax laws. >> yes. >> i want to point out something, though, that's real important. remember, his projects did create jobs and did create tax bases in communities. these were bricks and mortars projects. hillary clinton on the other hand has only made millions and millions of dollars from speeches and apparently selling access. there were no jobs created because of the wealth that bill and hillary clinton made for themsel

the reality of cable news and twitter and instagram and whatever else did not force lois lerner to decide to run her own chapter inside the irs. it did not order acorn to say we will turn federally funded lower education into a thing. i think it's a different phenomenon. the extreme politicization is a disturbing trend that calls for dramatic reform. i think the issue of the news cycle is something to think about. there will be plenty of columbia journalism conferences about it that it's a separate phenomenon. host: we want to get your comments. april, new albany, indiana is next, donald trump supporter. caller: hi, i am quite an independent and have been all my life, and i have decided to support donald trump this election. the reason is because i am trying to watch it will stop it's tempting because of all the propaganda on television to become overly emotional and a lot of people succumb to what i would call tribal thinking. this is not a football game. you're not pulling for the democrats or the republicans, you are caring about the issues and i would like to see more people thinking

not lois lerner, not koskinen, eric holder, previous.e? what have we done? nothing. >> sure. a lot going on. >> for anybody to think. this became clear. anybody thinks oh, we can just worry about a president hillary and we'll rein her in. we haven't reined in the outrageous conduct in this administration. it's not going to happen in the next. and trump has said some things that are very vile back when he was supporting people like bill clinton, but if you are bill clinton's big buddy like he was at one time, you are going to talk about bill clinton. we need to forgive him about talking like big democrats and other foul mouthed people. he's a republican now. and james dobson says he's a christian. i'm telling you what, if hillary is in there, we see again with these wikileaks she lies constantly. >> congressman, the republicans message for the most part has been, okay, donald trump is not perfect. we might disagree with parts of him, but he's better than she is because the next president is going to pick these supreme court folks. real qu

remember the lois lerner email system. stuart: oh, no?argeting conservative -- they are saying, they found that the present system, they can't archive email. we need the new email system, they didn't test drive new email system. it doesn't work in their system. so they blew $12 million of taxpayer money trying to upgrade the email civil. stuart: thank heavens we don't get all the government we pay for. with that, more "varney" after this. stuart: watch this. what you're looking at, that is a cage, goes under water, in gulf of mexico. there is a diver in the cage, fish guts, all over him, chum to attract sharks on outside of the cage, the problem the shark gets on inside of the cage, with the diver is already in there, as you can see, i guess you could say there is happy ending because the shark gets out. the diver is still in. the diver is okay. he will go back to it, the diver, make as living out of it, going back next year. liz: that's right. neil: fine young man if ever i saw one. my time is up. another fine man, neil cavuto. what is w

the reality of cable news and twitter and instagram and whatever else did not force lois lerner to decideo run her own chapter inside the irs. it did not order acorn to say we will turn federally funded lower education into a thing. i think it's a different phenomenon. the extreme politicization is a disturbing trend that calls for dramatic reform. i think the issue of the news cycle is something to think about. there will be plenty of columbia journalism conferences about it that it's a separate phenomenon. host: we want to get your comments. new albany, indiana is next donald trump supporter. caller: hi, i am quite an independent and have been all my life will stop i'm in my late 50's. i have decided to support donald trump this election. the reason is because i am trying to watch it will stop it's tempting because of all the propaganda on television to become overly emotional and a lot of people succumb to what i would call tribal thinking. this is not a football game. you're not pulling for the democrats or the republicans you are caring about the issues and i would like to see more p

we have the likes of lois lerner that are making some horrible decisions that had been punitive against pro-american groups. time and time again we have seen what our tax policy has done to our economy. 1% economic growth is not a good result. we need tax and regulatory reform and we have to get akhtar last place of success -- back to -- tip o'neill and ronald reagan, to great bipartisan and work together for true bipartisan tax reform that ushered in the largest and the longest economic boom in u.s. history. >> this is probably one of the issues where we couldn't disagree more strongly. my opponent favors more tax breaks for the super rich and wall street billionaires. i oppose of them. as a matter of fact, i think that taxes should be increased. they've obviously benefited enormously from the greatest of our nation and they should be willing to step up and pay their fair share which many of us would argue they are not. in minnesota we found, for example, people making 20-$50,000 a year are paying up to 33% on average, any combination of real estate sales, income and other taxes where