a question on lois lernor. there's been a hyper focus on her.she the only one that can provide more answers, more clarity to what was going on inside the i.r.s., to prevent it from happening again, or should there be other names to look at? >> there are other names we continue to look at but she is the head of that organization division. she was involved in all of it. we have emails between lois lernor and the department of justice where the department of justice is contacting her saying maybe we need to bring other things to bear for help with this investigation, whether people are breaking the law and we'll go after them as well so there's now multiple agencies that are involved in this both i.r.s., department of justice but all seems to center around her and her office. she's very important to get the clear story. jenna: who are the other names you're looking at? >> i'm not going to list those but there's a lot of people ins. we've gone through cincinnati in that office, the cincinnati folks got word from washington and we brought folks from

lo l lois lernor said she is effe eexercising her first ammendment right. congressman, it's good to have you on the program. >> let me ask you what contempt of congress means. what are the implications? >> this is a statement that goes out to an individual who refuses to come ply with an order. to say you have to actually speak to congress. every person is under the law we're all under the law and forced to be able to follow the law. >> she continues to come back and say she wants immunity. she made the statement i have done nothing wrong. i have been completely truthful with congress and now she says before i testify i need immunity. one of those two things is not true. either you need immunity because you have broken the law or you haven't broken a law so why do you need immunity to do this. everywhere we have gone, every person we deposed have pointed back to her and her office. the irs should not have power to make americans afraid. >> we want to talk much more with you. but now that a house committee has voted to hold her in contempt of congress, what

still talking about lois lernor. the kind of organization that is get to be exempt from taxes.mbers of commerce, fraternal organizations and clubs, also the nfl, but that's a whole different segment. in u.s. code 501 section c paragraph 4, the exempt can include civic leagues or organizations not organized for profit, but operated exclusively for the promotion of social welfare. whose net earnings are devoted exclusive i feel to charitable, educational, or recreational purposes. how that designation short-handed as 501 c went from meaning exclusively for the promotion of social welfare to organizations that primarily engage in social welfare without congress ever rewriting the law is at the heart of the so-called irs scandal. a scandal in which irs agents in cincinnati actually did their jobs with inundated with applications for tax exempt status ahead of the 2010 elections, including by tea party groups, and by liberal leaning groups. in fact, a 296 page report by the treasury department's inspector general found that the only group to have its tax exemption denied was a liber

lois learner committed crime. >> what they're doing with this herring is politicizing this issue. >> we'll talk with two members of the house ways and means committee which voted to send lernor's case to the justice department. plus our sunday panel discusses whether the irs scandal stops with lerner and our power player of the week, a historic washington treasure that serves as a haven for achievers in the arts and sciences. >> they're meant for everyone to enjoy. >> all right now on fox news sunday. >> and hello again from fox news in washington. kathleen sebelius stepped down as secretary of health and human services. but with confirmation hearings ahead for her replacement, the battle over obamacare is entering a new phase. we've invited members of one of the senate committees that will hold the hearings to discuss what happens now. from south carolina, republican tim scott and from rhode island, democrat sheldon whitehouse. senator scott, after the disastrous rollout of obamacare did kathleen sebelius have to go? how do you explain the timing of her resignation? >> there's no doubt she had to go. when you think of hemalt healthcare.gov, there has to be changes. if we look

lois learner, the object of chairman issa's year-long multimillion dollar crusade to find something, anything, iffy at the irs. republicans who have chosen to march lock step with issa on his dark mission claim that lernorar. the full house is expected to take up the contempt resolution in the coming weeks. in taking this step, chairman issa walks in a path of giants. giant whose were later deemed to be unhinged crusading lunatics. as a point of fact, no witness has been held in

lois learner, the object of chairman issa's year-long multimillion dollar crusade to find something, anything, iffy at the irs. republicans who have chosen to march lock step with issa on his dark mission claim that lernor violated the law after she made opening remarks last year. the full house is expected to take up the contempt resolution in the coming weeks. in taking this step, chairman issa walks in a path of giants. giant whose were later deemed to be unhinged crusading lunatics. as a point of fact, no witness has been held in contempt of congress since the red scare of the 1950s and 1960s. and no witness who has testified in person has ever been convicted of contempt charges in court. in fact, a report outlining the history of contempt charges determined that issa's tactics bear a striking resemblance to those used by senator mccarthy, the same joe mccarthy whose anti-come mist paranoia led to the censure by the senate, the same mccarthy viewed as a stain on our nation's history. not lost on congressman cummings who, today at least, was allowed a turn at the mike. >> i cannot -- it would place me on the same page of history books as senator joseph mccarthy or the house of american activities com