you know, i agree with lola. the lines have moved. separation between church and state has changed. >> are there any lines at all anymore? >> you know, i don't know. >> there are not. there are not any lines. >> i think it's changed. >> there are no lines. >> there are no lines. >> out of the story. they got al sharpton. i think it's cable news that's pretty bifork ated with the exception of cnn. it's pretty much, you know -- you are looking for a different point of view on the two sides. >> let me roll some tape -- >> jane, that's the perfect word. point of view. pov is what rules on cable television right now. the stronger the pov, the more close to the story you are in terms of pov, the better it serves you. whether you are team sfwlimerman or team trayvon martin, pov reigns. >> in looking at those teams, one team -- trayvon martin's parents, have been on a lot of television shows. they've been on all the major morning shows. now, they can do whatever they want. everybody in the world, including me, has great sympathy for them, but