is the londonderry let's say the united kingdom city of culture this year and as part of that celebration they will host a march of five thousand orangeman members of this protestant lodge to celebrate. protestant identity in northern ireland and frankly quite a lot of people journalists to report on northern ireland are expecting a lot of a lot of tension and a lot of trouble around not march in particular situation seems to me quite complicated that the definition the division between the groups and. talking about loyalists and republicans it's not quite entrenched so can you tell us what's going on just what there is very good yeah it's not that by looking at the clashes it's by looking at the clashes it's if we just take a look at the troubles of the peace process very quickly i mean if you go back about forty years i think. i think it's fair to say that northern ireland was something close to an apartheid state in that there were two dominant religions one certainly enjoyed a great position of superiority over the other there was a lease isn't there and there's also a disempowerment