and when he was asked again, he said, a long, long time.ink what we are in at the moment now, it's very clear what we're in, several more days of "ocean shield" trying to find, using the pinger. >> can i jump in here too? because, also, there were questions about, remember the 32 kilohertz, he said air france came in at 34. so the pressure and the age of the batteries could change the transmission level. no concern about that coming in at 32 rather than -- >> that's right, quite credible, he said. we've got days of this now. >> you have heard our breaking news, the australians say that the towed pinger locator search is still going on. i want to talk more about that with my experts when we come right back. capital to make it happen? without the thinking that makes it real? what's a vision without the expertise to execute it... and the financing to make it grow? whatever your goal, it can change more than your business. it can change the future. that's why, at barclays, our ambition is to always realize yours. this is the first power plant i

long, long time. it's very slow, painstaking wor work. >> thank you very much. >> so there you have it. that's the press conference in perth, australia, with the minister of defense, senator david johnson, and also angus houston, the man who is heading up the search for flight 370. now we know, they have not made contact with those supposed pingers again. they have not heard any new pinging coming from the ocean. also, we know the next step in this search, if they don't make contact, if they don't hear anymore transmissions or have anymore a'cukooucoustic events, say they're going to play it out as long as they possibly can, probably for maybe 45 days. the batteries can lost from anywhere from 30 to 45 days. once they exhaust that, then they will lower a submersible to the ocean floor, which is a blue fin 21, to do the search. but as angus houston said, that is a tedious, tedious task, and that will take days and days and days. because it is, essentially, crawling around on the bottom of the ocean, back and forth. so the best case is that those pingers, the battery, is still working, and they get another signal, they get another signal, and then they will know which direction to go in. richard quest, what did you get from this? >> very clear. he says, they will continue doing what they are doing for several more days. >> so we're at day 32 now. >> right. >> probably, what, about 40 -- >> your several is my several is angus' several. several more days. until and unless we find another transmission. and then, thereafter, they'll put down the blue fin. and he said, if they do that, and

long time. the whale is trying to get a head massage. >> at one point it looks like he is going to splash the boat. >> he hangs out for a long time with these people. here he stays out of the water for a long long time. look at this. what a unique animal. any other fiissue or animals in the sea you have to feed them. this guy is looking for affection. the ipad mini give away is back and ends today. >> the buzz word is wuming up. stand by for the ipad mini give away. you are on the road, driving, watching the roadway, you need to pay apension. i think we have taught people that on this show. this car not peainaying attenti. right here in the distance. doesn't look like there are warning signs or gates coming down. it ends up being quite an accident. the tlan wrain was moving slowl. it was a driver and a passenger inside this car at the time of impact. they were not killed but injured. how did they not hear the train coming right here? >> it is the size of a house. they can't blindly go across train tracks. the driver was able to get out on his own. the 16-year-old you can see him there did survive the impact. he was taken to the hospital and is expected to be okay. pay attention to this ped

i think you guys -- most people in our generation would stay in a job for a long, long, long time. p around a little bit. >> yeah. it was -- now you can have eight different jobs by the time you're 30 and that's okay. and you can, you know, go in so many different directions, which is what i really learned from this book in interviewing all the amazing people i interviewed. >> who did you love that you interviewed? >> i loved everyone i interviewed. some of the people i interviewed, my brother suggested to me, my sister suggested to me, i got a lot of different people's input of who to interview. >> jillian michaels said, rejection is god's protection. i thought that was -- your brother patrick is an actor like my daughter, and they get rejected a lot. so that's the one that jumps out at me. look at it that way. it was meant to be. >> i think with everyone's story in the book, interviewed so many amazing people that everyone seemed to have a common theme of everything is meant to be. if you don't get chosen for the job, you know, it is meant to be. >> even your mom, it is funny, she

long or neutral. i went to neutral several weeks ago. no question about that. last week i went to being back to being pleasantly long. i may become more aggressively long. till seems to want to go higher. this is still a federal reserve driven circumstances. it hasn't changed that much at all. no question i became nervous three weeks ago. no question about that. but after a good two week decline after what, 50 big handles in the s&p, after going down and touching and barely going through but holding the 100 day moving average, you have to understand it's still a bull market so back to being pleasantly bullish of stocks again. i own aluminum i own coal. i want to own the things that if i drop them on my foot will hurt, simple things. >> i'm glad you said that. there's a drinking game going on out there i'm sure. thanks for that. always good to see you. so now he's pleasantly long stocks might be aggressively long stocks. >> sounds like he bottomed somewhere near the lows. i still think it's a spider monkey market. you have to be nimble here. >> too close to start thinking about buying stocks right now. on the way down, we traded down to 1815 or so. look f

long, long time, and i think people, everyone's going to have to get used to that. >> and when you talk about these pingers, at least the four pingers that were heard in the last week, and the distance between them being about 17 miles, is there a way without that sound, without hearing them to be able to kind of pinpoint where the focal point of those sounds could have been? >> i think if they don't have the data now, probably the answer to that is, no. on the other hand, there are a lot of really smart people that have been working on this, and somebody may come up with a way to -- to further identify exactly where it is, but i think it's going to be as it was with air france, and we don't have anywhere near the advantage with this that we had with air france. i think it's going to be a long, long trek. >> huh. are you encouraged by anything that you hear in the realm of the submersibles, auvs, all that is potentially being made available for this search that perhaps those means are the only ways in which to find any wreckage, if indeed, it is under water? >> i think it's terrific what people have volunteered, basically the state-of-the-art worldwide has been volunteered and is going to be used. the question is whether this is sufficient to do it very quickly, and i would doubt that. >> and, yes, investigators say they've heard the pingers, but i still say and use the word "if." if that plane is under water. is there any doubt in your mind that this plane is submerged? is there still a possibility in your mind that instead it may have hit land somewhere? >> there's no doubt in my mind. >> no doubt in your mind that it's under water? >> yes. >> and how long are you seeing this journey? right now there are so many countries that have dedicated its assets. are they in it for

long, long time. granted, it's been a few years, but i think i still remember a few things. you have to buy when the crude gets hit and the stocks are out of favor and the economy's looking a little punk. where we are right now, i don't think that's the case. you'll never hear me be a complete bear on energy names or anything hydrocarbon related. i think it is going to be around for a longsaid, you know, criewld, i do expect it to pull back from 5100 or so -- 100 or so. it's no secret the fracking mania is going to have an impact ultimately. increasingly, renewables. i'm not a -- tara ways in the future, but they increase every year. liz: your picks include halliburton, but you always say johnson & johnson. al try i ya. you can still capitalize on smokers. >> one thing about being a college professor and being four or five years removed from into it as i was is i have a little bit of perspective, and i look at things, but altria makes a perfect product. it costs nothing to make. that's the foreign operations of philip morris. so smoking in the rest of the world is a little bit more acceptable than it is in in the states these days. liz: i'll take it. paul dietrich, you in the past have liked marathon petroleum, phillips 66 which is up very dramatically, up about 29%. you're throwing in two technology names though now. you like seagate as one of them, and you also are ap

long history, long church service, long names. it takes a little time. will not take your time today explaining what the administration says has happened. you can find it out yourself. it is not secret. we will go on to what we can do. that is very long. i see of course -- i was very sad and am sad about this. i have always believed since the very beginning that russia and the united states belong together. if man and woman are complementary in the united states and we can find some common language and we did find some, remember i like to think about this. we are up there in space. a russian and un-american are circling us as we be. -- speak. the other thing where we really understand each other's music. russians love our music. we love there is. in fact, i can tell you because i have lectured all over the united they -- united states is that many americans, for them, the not cracker has become an american custom. many americans asked if tchaikovsky is american. i have been confronted with that quite often. that is how much some things have been adopted.

long, long time. and just depending on the circumstances, i'm not prepared to speculate about that. we would need to -- the starting point will be to sort of map where wreckage is and all the rest of it. and that will take a period of time and that will be the vital starting point for whatever unfolds after that. but it's very deep water. very difficult. i guess i was involved as chief of the defense force with the recovery of a helicopter off the coach of fiji. we knew exactly where the helicopter went into the water. and it took us a long, long time to recover the blackhawk and the person who was inside it. i just emphasize, nothing will happen quickly. we're talking about a long operation here which will be measured in months and we have yet to find the aircraft. okay? one more question. and i'll take it over here. [ inaudible question ] >> yes, yes. apparently they've been checked out and they have no relationship to mh-370. ladies and gentlemen, thank you very much for coming today. and i'm sorry, we could be here all day. thank you very much for coming along. and, again, i stress, we need to think about the families here. we have a promising lead, but we have yet to get the confirming evidence. and that will be a long process. but we have been as open as we can be with you. we're hiding nothing. and that's the circumstances as they stand right now. thank you very much. >> search officials there in perth, australia, saying and calling this the most significant, most promising lead they have so far in the search for

long, long before or lift exist i can't count the number ever times that i would go out with myself or friends whether 10 o'clock or 11 o'clock or 2:00 a.m. couldn't get a cab or wait 45 minutes without a cab. for years and years and years cab drivers figure out against the efforts to increase cabs they wouldn't move toward centralized capture so i didn't know if i called you luck's our would they come or yellow. so the industry cab drivers and cab companies i'm a fan i want this in the forbode this industry needs to look at itself in the mirror and acknowledge there's responsibility there. we have starting to increase the numbers of cabs and we're starting to see throughout the bay area services a more centralized service for cabs. that's long overdue and i do think we would be in the dire straits we're in today so we have to all accept responsibility so i look forward to making sure our cab industry skews. so colleagues if there's no future comments i'll suggest a motion to have this to the call of the chair we'll take that we'll take that without objection. >> madam clerk, call item 4. >> it's a resolution for the comparative straight naming. >> supervisor kim. >> supervisor campos and i are co-sponsors. >> thank you chair wiener and your co- spokespersonship as well. i'm excited we're having this come to the land use committee. in the based on over a year and a half of outreach and organizing work. with the support of supervisor wiener and supervisor avalos we've trod a resolution of the dedications of church street after a tenderloin icon vicky i want to recognize the harvey milk club doing the outreach throughout the neighborhood and educating us of the history of the tarndz community and in particular vicky and her im

longs long time for people to join whether in their wells fargo or the next tech on that should be on your board we'll get that done yeah. it's about something that our convicts are trying to learn from us. how do you fulfill promises. how do we do that i only know of one way like leader pelosi as taught me and willie brown keeps teaching me that i have the fantastic opportunity to learn from to bring people dorothy together that's how us operational people get tension to the details. that's why mohammed got his folks her this morning. we know there's a lot of people depending upon us a lot of people in the past they're waiting for their goals to get fulfilled 20 years is awesome awesome patient. i'm in a hurry let's not forgot this moment we need more of you to come into the movement you're being called not only to celebrate dr. davis legacy but one hundred and 20 unit is a good start let's get to the rest of it. 90 of those units will go to folks in alice grifrth so they can have a place but the next phase is the neighborhood we have to build leader pelosi and i will be at hunters view last thing there's been a lot of steroids about those gold coins that weref. found somebody was visually that that would be lucky for us whenever i've come to bayview i've also found gold coins they're the people you're the gold coins that everybody is looking for (clapping) because when they find i and when we're found we are the richer for that as a whole city. this is how i see the bayview hunters point and the other areas let's make those areas rich bits both who we are as people and joining us u up and making more people involved this is what the city is about. the gold rush was an triathlons finding the people making lives changed and transforming them and making sure the people who wanted to be here will have the opportunity. this is what dr. davis was about and exactly what kathy it doing we've got senior housing 20 will be for homeless individuals we've made that promise and 3 thousand unit are fulfilling that and tony is making promises i'm there to make sure we getting get to those promises so sophie is saying i'm still waiting she'll be enjoying progress and milestones. getting another story for you kids so when you take over kids we're not giving us detect this is an enjoyable day but let's turn around and call other to this movement so we built this build more and more there's so much more to do and i'm calling you out to bring other. thank you very much i've enjoying being here today (clapping) i had the great pleasure i don't know, you know, so moved, commissioners, that motion passes sometimes when you're working as mayor of san francisco you get so concentrated open what you're doing those days we need help as leader pelosi has given us we need help with the state and senator leno has about that openhearted area opened ordinary he's helping me on one of the more important thing to keep people in their homes and not be victims of speculator real estate. i want to thank senator leno for the leadership and he's been at this calling a long time. senator leno >> (clapping) >> got my marshall orders from kathy to keep it short. >> distinguished gifts and supporters of dr. george davis shourdz and senior center we all loved dr. davis and remember him a gentle giant not only in physical statute but in his ability to dream big and to implement those big dreams. george had the heart of a at the same time the vision of a pro get and the determination of a woirs he wanted to make sure our father addressed great grandparent will live their life with district and faith those are the block we're breaking here today. everything i've said about dr. george davis can be said about kathy davis (clapping) as we all knows kathy is unstoppable and unflapable in.com building you don't want to get between kathy davis and her vision. when she whacks the traffic at the capita the traffic parts as if missouri's was in the building (laughter) and she reminded me in putting the financing together one of the loose pieces was $20 million that rede

long story and would take a lot of long-range 7 minutes but essentially i lost control of my property a person came in there and took over my property and did all kinds of other violations besides this one we're talking about the windows and doors one of the main ones i had to deal with him he built a small house in the bashed of my house and a building department was telling me they were going to charge me one thousand dollars a day the problem was i downtown move s it because he spoep had tenants rights and that was his property i couldn't touch it on the advise of any attorney and we had a director's hearing at the building inspectors and the person that z did this was told he had to get this out of there and he defied them. the deal was he was running for mayor at the time and his whole platform had to do with helping the homeless so this little house what a demonstration house how homeless could be housed. ; right? bp by on top of of that he turned my house into a homeless shelter having 12 men living there. he had extension cords and garden hoses out into the backyard. he was acting like he owned the house and essentially he did on the advice of any attorney i didn't do anything about it i mean except we were trying to evict him the attorney said the only way to get the little house out of the backyard and was first evict him and after that send him notice to remove the property he had there, you know, or else we'll do it ourself. that's exactly what happened it took months and months a months after my attorney made motion after motion after motion to different courts. most of them refused to move on it because they were i assumed they were afraid they thought he possibility could be mayor somehow. but anyway, so 150u6b8 he got evict and he had to get the house out of the backyard that was the main thing i was dealing with i had no knowledge there was an issue about the window and the sliding glass doors. i didn't know anything about the notice of violation being issued on that until january of this year. ; right? and that was 11 years later. first, i thought it was a joke they're coming after me after 11 years and i didn't have anything to do with it so, anyway as soon as i find out i went down to 9 building department and to take care of that. so if you were thinking that i actually economy about it 11 years ago and let it slide well, the best evidence and the only evidence that i can give that's not the case as soon as i found out by my actions as soon as i found out i take care of it immediately. it's not something i would have let slide so, anyway my whole thing is if this is the punishment for somebody violating the code or law then i shouldn't be punished because i didn't do it. that's and i understand and just i'm not sure i assume you know the penalty was like $2,700 and on top of i had to pay 3 hundred on top that's $2,000 that's 3 months of my social security check. you don't i can't imagine how that's just. that's the moss month you can do is to lower it plus the $300 from the appeal. that's a pretty heavy fine anyway, thank you for your consideration >> i have a couple of questions are you currently living at the address. >> i'm there off and on. >> your renting it. >> no, no my nephews and her family move forward from connecticut. >> you're letting people stay there what's the tenants name. >> jim reed and okay jim reed. done in 2003 >> yes. >> how do you know it was done in 2003. >> i'm assuming that's when the first violation was written from the papers i got from the building inspectors my so you got the first violation in 2003. >> no supposedly there was a violation posted or mailed my the other thing, too anything that was posted at the house was immediately ripped down. the person that was doing this was totally defying the city. >> and where you were at the time. >> i was out of time in sacramento and are you building in skoovment. >> no, no i go visit any grandkids. >> you rented out your whole house to mr. reid. >> no, no i hadn't represented to mr. reid i knew him before. >> he was - >> you know from my attorney regardless of whether he was paying rent he still had tenants rights and on top of. >> are you knowledge there with him. >> on certainty occasions there was one bedroom i had retrieved stayed there. >> that's all right. i have nothing further. >> thank you. we'll hear from mr. duffey now. >> good evening commissioners. i'm glad mr. hansen kind of told the story about all the -- how this went on for several years. when i read the brief i couldn't figure out how it was so old and what was going on, but obviously there was issues with someone in the building. but needless to say, the department did write a notice of violation on the 28th of august, 2003, for windows and sliding glass door on the east side of 116 franconia street without the benefit of a permit. submit a copy of this notice for installation of sliding glass door and window complete all work and correct all violations within 90 days. and to abate this notice you must contact the housing inspector. the housing inspector that wrote that back in '03 maintains penalty on the value of $2000. when i printed up the complaint data sheet, which gives us a timeline. it looks like we had this -- this notice did get mailed to mr. hansen of 36 milan terrace, san francisco. i'm not sure if that was his other address at the time. it seems like it was an old case that never got resolved and every couple of years it looks like the housing inspection services reviewing it. they didn't sends it for a hearing, maybe because they were aware of the other issues because i did notice there was a notice of violation for electrical work done. so maybe housing had some similar think imilar sympathy with what was going on and didn't send it for a hearing. but eventually, they seem to be -- we are going through a lot of our old cases at the minute due to a directive at the commission, therefore we have to move on them. it sounds like we wrote them a letter and he did respond. he took that to building permit and for that work and that work got completed and signed off, which was for the windows and there was a penalty of i believe, $2,160 so that's where we are at the minute. >> couple questions. do you know how he came to your -- to the department's attention in the first place back in '03? >> let me see. we got a complaint on the 7th of august, 2003 from a complainant from tom mayer, so he's a neighbor or he lives in the building, but that's who filed the come /phraeupbts. >> you said there were other violations as well? >> over the years there was electrical done without a permit and the structure done without a permit. >> what's happened with those? >> they've all been abated. they've been taken care of over the years. >> has there been any penalties? >> i didn't see any penalties on those. maybe the shed got removed. i didn't notice any penalties on that work. i didn't look that up to be honest with you, but it hooks like the cases all got abated for whatever reason. >> and you often will give your opinion on whether the penalty is appropriate or not. would you care to do so in this case? >> i mean, if the story is the gentleman was in a problem with a building and -- we put violations on a property, we don't go after the tenant, we have to put it on the property and the owner. it seems like it would be fair enough. the penalty seemed a little excessive. it could have been a little bit lower. $1,000 would have been half the amount, so i would say i wouldn't be in total disagreement to lower it, yes. based on what he's saying is that's a bad experience to get through so, you know, i don't know -- there was nothing in the brief that mentioned about the eviction process and all that sort of stuff. had i seen that -- to be honest with you, many hansen -- i don't know if he brought that up with anybody. i know we do give for a /hraering to people during their time at the department based on their circumstances and we hear everything, so this would have been -- obviously the circumstances probably we would have lowered that penalty at dbi. from what i do everyday i probably would have given it good consideration so i wouldn't be against dropping it a few. >> thank ewe. you. >> that's the way it is. >> thank you. >> thank you. >> any public comment? seeing none, mr. hansen, do you have anything further to say? you have three minutes. >> yeah, what you asked about or what he was saying that if i would have come to them they would have considered lowering it before, and i did go to them, but i didn't, but i did it after -- excuse me -- after i had already paid the fine and so the person that i talked to there, he told me exactly what he just said. he said we would have been happy to work with you on this, except now you've already paid it, it's too much paperwork to undo it. that's what they told me. that was that. then the other thing you asked about who was the one who filed the complaint. that was the person named tom mayer and like i told you, jim reid had taken over control of my one time i came there and tom mayer was walking around in his bathrobe and i was wondering what's this guy doing in here walking around in his bathrobe and i asked him and he said i'm paying rent to jim reid. eventually i was trying to evict tom mayer and then he was trying to extort money from me and told me if i try to evict him that he would call every department in the city and file complaints against me and that's how that complaint got filed about doors and windows is he did it. and eventually i ended up having to pay him $15,000 to move out, cash for keys. i've already paid. thank you. >> mr. duffey. >> what mr. hansen stated is when the penalty is paid and once they paid it, the only chance they can appeal the penalty is the department. just wanted to add that. >> thank you. commissioners the matter's yours. >> i'm very sympathetic to be honest. >> do you have a motion? >> yep. i'll -- i make a motion to reduce the penalty to two times. >> and just for the record, before i vote on this matter, i want to disclose that i am familiar with mr. reid. i've represented him in the past on an unrelated matter, but it would not impact my decision here. >> i have a motion then from commissioner honda to reduce this penalty to two times the regular fee. on that motion to reduce, commissioner fung. >> i. >> long long. hwang. >> no. >> president lazarus. >> i. >> thank you. the vote is four to one. this penalty is reduced to two times. thank you. >> thank you. our next item is item 8, property is at 1626 12th avenue protesting the issuance on december 19, 2013 of an alteration permit to add one bedroom, one bathroom family room, add one great room, one powder room, remodel bathrooms and kitchen on second floor per plans. we'll start with the appellants. >> my property is on the left of the subject property and i don't have any complaints about the structural design that they're doing. it doesn't infringe on my light, air and privacy on the property. i'm concerned about the parking. there's now four bedrooms in a pretty small house and we did a walk through with the owner and architect and seemed like there was no way for them to get two cars in the garage. i'm fine with that if that's the way it's going to be. all i asked them to do was to get a permit to have part of the easement between my h

long, long time. and just depending on the circumstances, i'm not prepared to speculate about that. we could need to -- the starting point will be to sort of map where wreckage is and all the rest of it. and that will take a period of time. and that will be the vital starting point for whatever unfolded after that. but it's very deep water, very difficult. i guess i was involved as chief of the defense force with the recovery of a helicopter off the coast of fiji. we knew exactly where the helicopter went into the water. and it took us a long, long time to recover the blackhawk and the person who was inside it. so i just emphasis nothing will happen quickly. we're talking about a long operation here which will be measured in months. and we have yet to find the aircraft. okay. >> will the priority be -- >> one more question, and i'll take it over here. >> is there in regards to the object found? >> yes, yes. apparently they have been checked out. and they have no relationship to mh 370. ladies and gentlemen, thank you very much for coming today. and i'm sorry. we could be here all day. thank you very much for coming along. and, again, i stress we need to think about the families here. we have a promising lead but we have yet to get the confirming evidence. and that will be a long process. but we have been as open as we can be with you. we're hiding nothing. and that's the circumstances as they stand right now. thank you very much. >> okay. so there you heard it. from the man in charge of this search, that they have picked u

long, long run? >> i guess so. if it works out in the long, long run. we remember perkins who was instrumental in passing social security and she gets credit for that. if it works out in the long run, and i'm skeptical, she will get some credit. mark's right. i haven't been thrilled the way the president off-loaded blame during the whole web page fiasco. i think he public lig should not have done that. i think he should have taken it on himself as a leadership technique. it's fair to say a couple of things. sometimes to move an organization, you have to be a dynamo and it seems she was that. also true, secretary do not run their agencies. the agencies run agencies and the secretary can only run what's going on. it was always going to be hard to get government workers not silicone valley tech geeks to start up a pretty ambitious web site and, so, i'm a little less down on her than is the common currency right now in washington. >> i would take exception with david in the sense that, i mean, i'm sure david talks to a lot of people. i think that kathleen go

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long, long way to reach the consensus that this country has reached on ray simple. to get thersimple--raceism. we've got to persuade them not frighten them. >> did mr. ike g get a chance to talk about what he did in 2008, and whether he would do it today? >> my understanding is what mr. ike did was he had a chance to talk about what did he in 2008, and whether or not he would do it again. he did not take that chance. i firmly believe we should allow people to evolve. that being said i'm not going to second guess the actions of the board. that is essentially, i agree, i hate to totally agree with jonathan and ari here, you by think they're right. there are market forces at work. that is the board saying what are the optics here and how is that going to play for us. they didn't think it would play well. the interesting thing is that everyone spends time worrying about their optics, whether it's businesses or people needing to get jobs. am i dressed appropriately. do i have the right clothes on. anything like that for years gay people had to consider whether or not they would be able to be out. could they tell their peers that they were gay? could someone tell their peays that they were transgender? would they suffer a consequence because of that? it's an interesting sort of turning of the tables to see other people have to consider whether or not their opinions or their approaches to life or whatever might come under scrutiny. that's something that lesbian, gay, by sexual and transgender people have been doing for years and years. by the way, the statistics on the discrimination in the workplace for lgbt people are just off the charts. i mean, there is no protections nationwide at the federal level for lgbt people. and the center for american progress put out a report in 2011 saying between 15% and 43% of gay people experience some sort of discrimination or harassment, and about 90% of transgender people reported experiencing harassment. that is a whooping number. >> kerry, when we come back after this short break i want to come back to what you mentioned about optics, and whether a move of this kind is good optics for the gay community. this is inside story. >> welcome back to inside story. i'm ray suarez. when it comes to running a successful business, do the personal politics of the ceo matter? it depends on the politics and the business we're discussing the resignation of mozil la could you founder branden ike. he's out because of supporting the banning of same-sex marriage. is this a question of being able to do something perhaps even having the arguments on your side, but not necessarily being the right thing to do just because you can. >> well, i think that's right. both sides need to be thinking about the optics of the situation, and it looks really bad if gay people starts to look like we're treating other people the way we were once treating ourselves. it not only looks bad, it not only sets up the story of gay bullies which the religious right are trying to develop, but it is also the wrong thing we did. we have lived in the closet for decades. we know how painful that is. we want to let them explain why they're wrong. >> professor, i want to go back whether there is a difference between these ideas and deeds. you noted and correctly so that it's a different thing once brendan ike gives money to an organization that is actively working for the passage of this bill. but there may be haters in board rooms across the country. if they simply are that and don't do anything are they left in peace? if there are people who privately hold the convictions that gay people are worthy of hate and marginalization but don't make a big deal out of it, are they to be left alone? >> i think this brings up one of my disagreements with jonathan's comments. i agree with the substance. no one should--we shouldn't be in the business of attacking people just like we have been attacked. however, i disagree with the language that jonathan is using, and i disagree with what we're thinking about with this question. the gay community is not monolithic movement. not everyone got together and started, quote/unquote started bullying this gentleman into submission. the terms that we have been using has been insulting. i don't want to suggest that that might be the case or lead us along the lines that this would suggest that we're, in fact, bullying. but we are not bullies no matter what our opinions are there is no one out here who is saying that you can't hold whatever opinion you want to hold. there is no movement. there is no central figure in the community that says you cannot have a job while disagreeing with us. no one is saying that. to suggest that we are is to oversimplify the situation. what we are saying is that in this unique situation where you have a business community that is dedicated not just to an open internet, but to an internet that is open to all, and it's employees, and members of the board of director and other members of the mozilla community felt that what brendan ike did, his conduct, his actions were inconsistent with the values of the community, then then action also have consequences. no one is talking about suggesting just because we disagree with someone that they have to lose their jobs or they have to disappear. >> a quick response. >> well, he's right. the gay movement is not monolithic, and in fact, mainstream gay organizations did not support this. most gay people believe in tolerance and believe in educating people. what happened here was a small group of freelancers started to make a statement about this. that's what drove this. i think most ordinary gay people want to live and let live and go with the values of persuasion rather than punishment. >> kerry, what about that, perhaps the better move was to leave brendan ike be, especially since he was working with a company that was pretty much of equality in its actions as a company and it's policies as a company. >> yes, many companies are on the side of equality. corporate america was far ahead of the federal government on starting to enact pro lgbt policies, healthcare policies that were inclusive somewhere on the order of 90% of fortune 500 companies now have non-discrimination policies that protect people in sexual orientation. i want to say a word. i'm not a very good activist. i'm a juniorist by nature. i like to push things around, explore them, talk to a few people. i do my best writing that way. but we have a group of activists and jonathan referred to them as freelancers. you can call them what you want, but without the activists we would be nowhere as a movement. nowhere. these are people who are far more sort of staunch in their ideas than i am, but i dare say proposition 8 would not be overturned yet. i dare say that don't ask/don't tell appeal would not have gone through without as some people say shouting in the streets, protesting. the activists, the less part of this movement are a very important part of this movement. without them i don't think that jonathan or ari or i would be able to exist because we would be seen as leftest, well, maybe not jonathan. >> when we come back after a short break we'll talk about where it call goes from here. is this an experience that's going to be repeated? this is inside story. >> welcome back to inside story. i'm ray suarez. this week we did a program on the supreme court's mccutcheon decision. it reaffirmed that political donations are free speech. as ceo is it free speech to express a political opinion, and can it, should it cost you your job? for mozilla co-founder branden ike, the answer may be yes. joining us, ari, a law professor at new york law school. in our washington studio, jonathan, a senior fellow at brookings institution. and inber inberg in berkeley, k. >> can hobby lobby protect out to its employees their political police, and papa john and mr. mackey from whole foods. phil robinson from duck dynasty, spunkesuspended and off the airr expressing his views. should a thoughtful consumer be examining the beliefs the corporations. >> first directly to your question, absolutely. if you're going to be giving your money to someone, you better be sure that the organization or person you're giving your money to is worthy of your patronage. there is no reason t to patronie someone who is going to take your dollar and donate to an organization that will take away your rights. with you we could go further. the supreme court is also look--and other courts, are looking at private companies to deny service to gay persons. arizona looked at doing that. mississippi is looking at doing that just because they don't like gay marriage. it highlights the problem with simply saying that we should just let brandon ike live and let live because there are other options, or because mozilla itself is a pro-equality company. when someone denies you service. or when someone takes your money and turns around and tried to hurt you with it, that is not treating you with the equal dignity that you deserve as an equal member of american society. just because you are allowed or you have the opportunity to go down the street to the next florist, the next baker, or to the next internet service platform does not mean that that company should be allowed to discriminate against you, nor should it mean that there should be no consequences for someone who is trying to hurt the gay community in that way. this is what the principles of free market and dignity are supposed to uphold. >> kerry, you cover politics, have we crossed the threshold here? >> i do think that we crossed a threshold embracing the fact that gays, lesbians, bisexual and transgender people should be allowed to be open about who they are. we continue to have a discussion about gay marriage that continues to go on, but in general we have hit the breaking point here or the tipping point where, you know, it is no longer considered a liability everywhere in the country to be lgbt. i personally support that. we're tax-paying americans, and we should have the same rights as every other american and be able to live. >> jonathan, is this a shot that will give a lot of people both in bored rooms and at home something to think about? >> no, i think it's a minor event in a long unfolding story about how we're going to draw lines in society. public lines are changing about gay people and marriage in america. there is a process of adjustment going on as we figure out how to get along with each other. this is just one small part of it. most gay people in this country want to and i know they can get along with people who disagree with them, and we're figuring out how to do that. >> it is happening quickly. >> it is happening very quickly, and there is a lot of adjustment shocks going on. >> jonathan, professor waledman and kerry, thank you for being with us. the program may be over but the conversation continues. we want to here what you think about this or any day's shows. you can send us your thoughts on twitter or reach me directly @ray suarez news. we'll see you for the next "inside story." in washington, i'm ray suarez. >> richard trumka president of the afl coy, representing 12,000 workers, a long time low. trumka says the workers need a better deal. >> we

that was created by the voters long, long ago and it's an independent entity which the mayor is to stay out of and the county human resources division is responsible for carrying out the policies. we have the state personnel system we get money from the state so the state feels american people obligation to keep an eye on our merit to make sure we're doing it properly. in fact, the system was behind the rule of the list we use a list and the personnel system required the city to stop doing that. we have our own internal policies. just briefly i want to talk about in the spring of 2013 it mocked up the guarantee first, we had the deficit we were installed and at the same time the merit section went down to a staff of one. we have 75 hundred employees and a turnover of 10 percent and have to do examines we can't have one person doing the examines. we had an ash tradition sdlement the union required us to hire employees we had to hire them permanently a it detailed the hiring process and then no more turnover it means their leaving at the same pace we're bringing them in we're fixing that

>> i don't think it's that clear, ray, and i think this will be litigated for a long, long time. if we were to use an ounce of common sense which really doesn't apply in cases like this or in washington you would think that the old g.m. would be responsible. they are the company that manufactured these cars and in turn manufactured the defects and ignored what people were telling them about the defects and made a business decision to move on and people should be held liable for that. >> we're going to take a short break now. when we come back we'll talk about the cost benefit analysis that are made around automobiles, around the way they're built, around the way they're fixed. this is inside story. >> welcome back to inside story. i'm ray suarez. on this edition of the program we're talking about massive recalls of cars with bad ignition switches. the problem with the design from a decade ago, everyone is trying to construct a timeline of what the government knew and when. the acting administrator of the national traffic highway administration faces tough questions on capitol hil

>> i don't think it's that clear, ray, and i think this will be litigated for a long, long time. if we were to use an ounce of common sense which really doesn't apply in cases like this or in washington you would think that the old g.m. would be responsible. they are the company that manufactured these cars and in turn manufactured the defects and ignored what people were telling them about the defects and made a business decision to move on and people should be held liable for that. >> we're going to take a short break now. when we come back we'll talk about the cost benefit analysis that are made around automobiles, around the way they're built, around the way they're fixed. this is inside story. [ male announcer ] it's here -- xfinity watchathon week, your chance to watch full seasons of tv's hottest shows for free with xfinity on demand. there's romance, face slaps, whatever that is, pirates, helicopters, pirate-copters... argh! hmm. it's so huge, it's being broadcast on mars. heroes...bad guys... asteroids. available only on mars. there's watching. then there's watchathoning

long, long time. it's very slow, painstaking work. >> and those are officials in perth, australia, updating the developments in the past 24 hours in the search for the missing malaysian airlines plane, saying that there have been no further pings detected and that they will not launch the underwater vehicle, the sub that had been standing by, in order to determine if there is a debris field there. very deep in the indian ocean. so, again, the significance there, saying they weren't able to pick up those pings that they were able to find in the past, over the weekend, saying that they had the most promising lead so far, picking up, twice, pinging sounds that lasted over two hours at one point and then again picking it up and lasting over 13 minutes. so, again, they said they are careful, they are cautioning, saying this is a herculean task, but with all the encouragement that the significant, promising lead they had over the weekend, now may be a little bit of discouragement here they weren't able to pick up those pings once again. let's go now to nbc's ian williams, who is standing by for us there in perth, australia. very different tone than 24 hours ago when you spoke with us, ian. >> yeah, that's right, francis. i think, though, this was essentially a political press conference. it was an opportunity for david johnston, the australian defense minister, to go and thank the air crews and to pose in front of a couple of orions, which arguably would be better served searching for wreckage. the most important thing that came out of it is they have not been able to reacquire the signal that has been detected at the weekend. and unless and until they reacquire that signal, they will not be launching the submersible. the area down there to search is simply too large and would take too long without getting a better lock, a more precise lock on where it's coming from. but he did said they would continue the search. they would continue trying to reacquire the signal, as long as they thought there was a chance of the black box still transmitting. and, of course, houston pointed out that although the box saying 30 days, it could last longer and their experience is that in the past, they have lasted some what longer than just the 30 days. but he also cautioned, of course, that funny things happen down in the ocean, that all sorts of sounds are there, but they will and they are continuing the search in what is a very critical week, francis. >> he did touch on that, ian, about these false positives, which now are trying to figure out if, in fact, these are pings that may be connected to this missing malaysian jetliner, or possibly the echoing of sounds from some of the search ships there. he said it's tough to get many ships there because of that, so, you know, it is something

long road to freedom. merritt is the -- marriage used it himself. the road to freedom is a long, long road. along your route to freedom. we have not walked the route get. clearly the vision is rooted in race, tied to class. still very strong in many ways. >> now, to be perfectly honest i did not care or don't care about your own ethnicity in reading the book. i love the expertise. to me that is all that matters. i am sure readers are wondering about your own ethnicity. did your own ethnicity shape in any way or form you're living in the south or the research and writing about this book? >> interesting question. but a big part of who i am and who i have been. moving to the south, are relatively small community. people don't necessarily -- the number of people. sometimes they ask where you're from. i'm from boston. no, where you from? they want to get at them while i was doing what i was doing. bynum but i don't know that being i mean has spread into my interest in african-american history. i really think that i get into a african-american history for two reasons. one is that a good answer so

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and a lot of those doctors in that complex have been -- they are long-time doctors practicing in that particular building for a long, long time. >> can i get your thoughts? can you see a picture of the live coverage here? >> reporter: yes. that is what got me when i heard the address. i'm like holy molely, that is my doctor so i think people and my parents' doctor too so people in the area are probably wondering if anyone they know is injured. >> sal, thank you for calling in. ktvu giving us his expertise of the area, his knowledge of the building there. he talked to his doctor who was inside that building and he spoke with someone in the office and she said there was a shooting. that is all we know at this point. those are reports from people inside. we have not been able to confirm that. >> it is a breaking news situation unfolding for the past couple of hours. at about 1:30 police got a qual that a patient fried to attack a doctor at the medical dental building at 1500 south gate in daily sit where 280 splits into 1. we have been showing you a number of pictures of officers with guns drawn entering the building and pe

>> i don't think it's that clear, ray, and i think this will be litigated for a long, long time. if we were to use an ounce of common sense which really doesn't apply in cases like this or in washington you would think that the old g.m. would be responsible. they are the company that manufactured these cars and in turn manufactured the defects and ignored what people were telling them about the defects and made a business decision to move on and people should be held liable for that. >> we're going to take a short break now. when we come back we'll talk about the cost benefit analysis that are made around automobiles, around the way they're built, around the way they're fixed. this is inside story. >> evey saturday, join us for exclusive, revealing, and suprizing talks with the most interesting people of our time. >> thinking differently is actualy punished... >> this saturday, is public education actually failing america? >> education is the biggest investment we make in our futures. >> but what are we really teaching our kids? >> i think it's a catastrophe that so many school d

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are going to be going to, many of these officers now whose funerals we are going to worked for a long, long time in the hall of justice. and so, i don't know that it has been proven, but i know that is urban legend among many, many police officers that the building itself is making certain people sick. and i don't know, but i mean, we are happy to get out of there and i am hope that the rest of the folks, that are there are out of there soon enough and that is why i think that this other project is critical. and i think that the rehabilitation and the detoxification of that building, is important, not to mention that if there is an earthquake it is coming down and there is, and there are very, very many, many, many reasons, which all kidding aside is why this presentation is anything but boring. >> i am glad that he gave a schematic of the chief's office. the office is actually smaller. >> really? >> yes. >> and actually, i would love to offer the commissioners a chance to see the construction site. and work on logistics. >> great, and the building has really, really taken shape. so i think

long, long time. back with me now, geoffrey involuntary manslaughter, bill nye, michael kay, steve marks, and paul ginsburg. paul, i want to get to you quickly, because i want to talk about what he said. we're wondering about the legitimacy of 33.2 kilohertz, was it credible. angus houston said, yes. we have to remember that air france came in at 34 kilohertz, because of the pressure of the ocean, the depth, the age of the batteries, it can change the transmission level. do you concur? >> well, there's an easy way to find out. i would suggest that we do an experiment as part of this investigation by dropping new working pingers into this part of the ocean, and measure the characteristics, the frequence, and the variation from one to another, to see whether these agree with our observations. in other words, what i'm saying is, let's have a real reference in this part of the ocean, and to see whether what we are observing is something that is credible as a pinger representation, where we are. >> bill nye, as a science person, you want a controlled experiment, so to speak, to make sure that they are on to something and see where they come in. would you recommend that as well? >> well, if we have the resources. but as an engineer, i would say, if you have this datum from a couple of years ago where the air france pinger changed frequencies at great depth, it's likely this one did too. and with all the errors, it's very reasonable the pinger would change frequency like this. but with that said, if we're right at the limit of the batteries, 32 days, and you've heard nothing, maybe that last little bit you heard was the last little bit that this device could produce at this depth. and also, along with the errors introduced by the different layers in the ocean that form with different temperatures and salinity. and this is all -- we're all speculating. but it is possible that it's -- that that's the last you're going to hear from it. >> michael kay, remember last night, we were talking to, you know, one of the guys out on on the "uss blue ridge," and you were talking about triangulating. how do you figure out the location? what do you do? do you drop markers or what have you? so if the batteries are gone, it does give them, you know, an area which to search, but as you heard angus houston say, it's a very big area, and there are, you know, the next thing they're going to have to do is drop that blue fin 21 in, and that's going to take days and days and days. much longer if they get another ping or pulse. >> yeah, don, you're absolutely right. this is going to go on for longer than several days. we know that the batteries can last for up to 40 days. and therefore, if i was angus houston, i would be put this search out to at least 42, 43 to make absolutely sure that the batteries had failed. but there's another good reason why it's going to go on for a lot longer. because australia has been leading one of the greatest aviation search mysteries in history. and they're going to want to succeed at this. they've put a lot of time and resource into it so far. they're going to keep on going. and like you said, if that means sticking a submersible in after 43 days and scanning that whole area and that taking months, i think they'll do it. >> i've seen the marks from a legal standpoint, looking at this as an attorney, when you're looking at liability and exposure and what have you, what do you take away from this news conference, if anything? and from these latest development? >> nothing, really, has changed from a legal standpoint, from the beginning. this is why it's governed by most passengers from the montreal convention. so the liability to the carrier is pretty well known. it's very certain there's some complications under the treaty jurisdictionally, and venue, what foreign law will apply to certain victims, what the recovery system may be. those issues remain outstanding. as far as any third party, well, we haven't gotten any real facts to determine whether or not there's possible claims against third parties. but, essentially, the families are going to have a remedy under the montreal convention. but what they really want are truthful and honest answers. and some finality to the search. >> jim tilmon, you know, they talked a bit about searching for debris here, not as much as searching for the pinger here. it's been 133 missions so far. do you think the investigation now really focuses on listening to this pinger rather than searching for a debris field? >> i think it has to be two-fold. i think we have to continue to look for a debris, because that's going to make a significant difference. and as i keep hearing, debris can get spread all over the place. so the longer we wait, the more difficult it's going to be, to use that debris to pinpoint something. i want to just caution everybody about something, about the way we discuss debris and how it's handled. today, watching cnn, i heard someone say that, you know, the currents are like a washing machine or a blender. and it does all those crazy things to any debris. understand something. some of the so-called debris could be human remains. and i think we have to maintain a lot of sensitivity right now. we have to be very, very careful the way we describe anything we say, so it's just a point of mind they just wanted to bring up. >> point taken, thank you very much, jim tilmon. coming up, you heard it at tonight's news conference. the pinger locator search goes on. but just how difficult is that search? 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long term, because as a fiduciary, you're to be looking at the long term viability of your investments. i think the ethical and the financial align in a pretty powerful way. >> but i've heard foundation executives say, you know, we get it, ellen. we -- and tom, you're asking us to take the high road. but to do the lord's work, we need to get the highest return on our investments. and those fossil fuel companies deliver it. should they take the high road at the risk of doing less of the lord's work, less of their mission? >> i don't think that is the right framing, because i don't think they sacrifice returns. so i would contest that -- >> no, nothing out there financially that demonstrates that. so if you look back in time, in all the information that's out there, it doesn't support the fact that you have to give up return. it's something that they're hiding behind, as opposed to acting. and that's part of the problem. for years, they've said that if you do socially responsible investing, you're going to have to give up return. but in fact, having strong environment, social and governance practices as a management team is actually best business practice, is what it is. >> but i would argue something else. if you're a foundation and you're -- actually whatever your mission. but particularly if your mission is human rights or environment, how is it possible that you can have your investments undercutting the work of your grantees? if your investments are driving the problem that you're asking your grantees to solve, that's a problem. those should be aligned, your investments and your grant making. >> here's what one foundation executive would say to that. i talked to him last week. and he said, ask them how anyone's hands can be completely clean in a society as capitalist as ours. >> i think that's a fair question. i mean, society's addicted to oil. and we need to get off of it. and we need to start moving aggressively in that way. >> there is nothing that would stop the fossil fuel industry from using the capital expenditures that it's currently -- the amounts of capital being expended for new fossil fuel energy. there's nothing that would stop them from instead shifting that to clean and safe energy sources. there's nothing stopping them from doing that. however, they're not. that says that we need to take action. >> fossil fuel companies receive $1.9 trillion in subsidies globally on an annual basis. so here's this very, very profitable industry being funded by governments around the world to the tune of $1.9 trillion to basically drill more oil. so they're saying, nothing's going to stop us. we have the regulators in our pocket. they're not going to make us change. >> the scientific community says that to avoid possible catastrophe, we have to stay below two degrees celsius of warming, right? >> correct. >> and to stay at that level, we cannot release more than 565 gigatons of carbon dioxide in the future. but the fossil fuel companies have nearly five times that amount of coal, oil, and gas reserves of which they would have to leave 80% in the ground if they didn't take us -- if we don't go over the edge to catastrophe. are you asking them to walk away from billions of billions, maybe trillions of dollars that are stored in the earth? >> and that's the risk to investors. it's because they can't burn that without having huge cost to society, to other businesses, to the way of our life, to people all around the planet. so that's why we're saying, look it, investors, there's a huge risk here. because the governments aren't going to tolerate allowing the fossil fuel companies to wreak this type of havoc on civilization. >> but you don't leave that much money in the ground. you wouldn't bury it in your backyard, which in effect is what you're asking them to do. >> we don't have a choice. we don't have a choice. and it's not really a question of what the fossil fuel industry is going to do with their reserves. it's a question of what we as a global society are going to do to orchestrate the energy transition that we need. if they burn those reserves, we cook the planet irreparably. that can't happen. and what is so powerful about this movement is that it is a true alignment between ethical and financial interests. because not only must we act to stop the worst excesses of climate change, but financially, it's the smart thing to do. we have to deflate that bubble before it bursts. >> i saw research recently from the university of oxford, that studied divestment movements, earlier divestment movements, against the arms industry, the pornography industry, the gambling industry, and concluded that their direct financial impact on price shares was small. what makes you think this time is different? and how many billions of dollars would it take for you to nuke the energy business? i mean, to really make them hurt? >> making them and making society realize that we have to get off of our addiction to oil is really the key. that we have to remove oil or limit oil or use it much more responsibly than we do today. as we -- it can be measured in billions of dollars. but really what it is is say look, take your capital expenditures and invest them in something in clean technology, broadly defined. now i don't want to jut think -- not just solar and wind, very broadly across the entire economy. if the oil companies took their excess capital and did it, that would be a good thing. if the governments would take their subsidies, $1.9 trillion and move it from fossil fuels and give it to clean technology, energy efficiency, buildings, led lighting, promoting that, you could get catalytic change, significant innovation, job creation, and you wouldn't be affecting, you know, people who are generally economically disadvantaged. so i think that it's not just about measuring how much the company drops its access to capital. these are very, very wealthy companies, which is one of the reasons why we're trying to turn them into a moral pariah. because yes, we all do use oil for now. but we need to start using it much more wisely. and we're going to have to make some choices. and we need to spur that type of innovation, like we did under kennedy to go to the moon, we need to spur the same innovation to create a sustainable economy that's based on the energy of the future, not on the energy of the past. >> and bill, that same oxford study that said that there was not always an immediate economic impact from the divestment activity ultimately concluded that there was powerful political impact in many of these campaigns, including the apartheid campaign. and that's ultimately what we need is to put a price on carbon. and we need to have a policy process that can be successful and is not captured by the influence of the fossil fuel industry. and that's, i think, the big play, at stake. >> do you ever stop to think, why are we having to do this? why do we have to pressure corporations to be good stewards of the earth and in this case of the future? i mean, shouldn't this be happening from within them? >> yes. and it is happening from within some corporations. so, for example, the corporations that are using lots of electricity right now, okay? they can go out and get a power purchase agreement for 20 years on renewable power, solar or wind. and they can lock in a price. if i have a huge electrical cost and it's bouncing all over the place because of natural gas, i can't go out and lock in natural gas for 20 years right now at six cents a kilowatt. i can lock in solar and wind between six and ten cents a kilowatt. but i can't lock in natural gas. so my cost line goes all over the place. if i'm a business, what i care about is certainty. what i don't like is risk. tell me what the price is. tell me what it's going to be for a long, long time. and i can model that. put a tax on carbon. make it 25 bucks a ton. increase it $10 a ton a year for 20 years. that'll push it to $225 a ton. if that happens, i can model that. i can model my expenses. what i don't want is uncertainty. if you give me certainty, i can model that and allocate capital accordingly in investments that can make a difference. >> and climate change is nothing but unstable and uncertain. >> that's right. and it creates more uncertainty, which drives corporations crazy. and the innovators, the best businesses are already realizing if they use their resources more efficiently, more productively, more sustainably, that they'll beat their competition within the very same industries. and they're outperforming. because it's best business. it's ultimately best business. >> here's another reason why i'm so excited. this is a corporate accountability movement, truly. in its purpose. and if you meet with the leaders, the student leaders of this movement, some

long do you think they'll continue with the tow pinger locator knowing the battery life is roughly 30 days and that it is almost over? >> sure. we've seen batteries last 35 and perhaps as long adds 38 days. i would expect they would continue on that track for a few more days until they hit one of the 35, 38 days and then likely not had a signal in 48 hours before they discontinue the tpl. that's the ur genergency. you don't want to switch over only to go down and not find anything. >> all right. thank you very much. you'll be back with us a little bit later on. jeffrey thomas, richard quest, stay with me. when we come right back, more than a month since the flight damaged. we still have not found a single piece of debris. does that tell us something important about how the plane might have hit the water? when folks in the lower 48 think about what they get from alaska, they think salmon and energy. but the energy bp produces up here creates something else as well: jobs all over america. thousands of people here in alaska are working to safely produce more energy. but that's just the start. to produce more from existing wells, we need advanced technology. that means hi-tech jobs in california and colorado. the oil moves through one of the world's largest pipelines. maintaining it means manufacturing jobs in the midwest. then we transport it with 4 state-of-the-art, double-hull tankers. some of the safest, most advanced ships in the world: built in san diego with a $1 billion investment. across the united states, bp supports more than a quarter million jobs. and no energy company invests more in the u.s. than bp. when we set up operation in one part of the country, people in other parts go to work. that's not a coincidence. it's one more part of our commitment to america. 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