joining us now the hoover institution, a state controller candidate, lonnie chen. welcome back. >> good to be with you. >> president biden will highlight the unemployment figures and talk about caps on prescription drugs, pushing for more gun control. those are things that tend to resonate. what is the counter messaging? >> you want to economy. here the paradox. he has a record to run on. he is past a lot of and large infrastructure bill, the economic data is fairly positive. we see low unemployment, inflation easing. the american people feel good about the economy. the data shows that a lot of people feel like they are being honest. for the president, the will be how does he articulate these things that are happening that he believes are positives given the mood. that is the republicans are going to seize on. they will push back on this notion that he has a record of accomplishment, talk about the incident with the spy balloon from china. they will talk more about the fact that the president, ways they will push back. whether they will be effective is a political

with us to discuss, lonnie chen, a pobl policy director for mitt romney's presidential campaign, presidentcenter for american progress action fund. and lanhee, not only did fox peddle the election lies, but we learned that executives silenced or punished employees ops who were trying to tell the truth. schepp smith, no longer at fox. leland vittert branded as smug for a tone that was not a celebration of the president, also no longer at fox. and the washington bureau chief who called arizona for trump, bill sammon was fired to send a, quote, big message with trump people. i understand there is a need for conservative journalism in the sense that there are other networks that are liberal, but can fox really call itself a journalistic enterprise in the wake of these revelations? >> well, the three journalists that you identified there obviously are strong journalists, and they found their way and their place to other networks. but listen, i think what this demonstrates, jake, is the dead-endism of donald trump. and i think the challenge that he continues to pose, not just to fox, but to the