but this was simultaneous as well, i know, to a -- an effort in 2009 when lonny brewer actually went down and discussed the idea of traveling to arizona to meet and plan ways to coordinate gun trafficking. so i just wanted to know why that determination was made. but let me just switch to one other thing. again, it comes back to the idea of who knew what and when. was fast and furious a death case? >> yes. i think it received -- >> i'm holding -- in my hand. we've all lived with it. >> you have, certainly. >> we've spent our time. i've looked and it says i'm talking about the places, authority of the united states attorney and what needs to be approved by the department of justice. approval is required for organized crime strike force cases of which fast and furious every significant action in the investigation and prosecution from case initiation, court authorized electronic surveillance, witness immunities, witness protection and other important events must be approved in advance by the organized crime and racketeering section, which is in washington, d.c., the last i looked. corre

because the criminal chief head, lonny brewer, was in mexico contemporaneous with the drafting of the february 4th letter advocating gun walking. get that image. that visual image of a letter being drafted denying gun walking while the criminal chief at maine justice is in mexico advocating for gun walking. >> the gentleman's time is expired. the attorney general may answer. >> in terms of who drafted the february 4th letter, i mean, that is obvious from the materials that we shared with you, those 1,300 pages or so. i can't recall all the names. but you will really see, i think, virtually everybody if not everybody who is involved at the justice department in creation of the february 4th letter. you could review that. i don't think it's correct to say that while the letter was being drafted that mr. brewer was in mexico advocating for gun walking. he was in mexico. i think you're talking about a february 2nd e-mail or report, i guess, from the state department that indicated that what he was talking about was the possibility of a surveilled delivery of weapons to people who would tak