lonny holmes. >> david, you participate in this process in a different way. you are an outside agency. can you tell us essentially what your center does to further the cause to some of this >> sure, i would be glad to. our center, the berkeley center of law. so you know one of our basic tenant system that community and law enforcement need to work together. it's sometimes different for folks not used to working together. sometimes our partners have told us. it's helpful to have an outside agency come and serve as a catalyst to serve the folks on the ground. the chief talked about the juvenile strategy. we have worked with john tores and the san francisco police department and other organizations, as the chief talked about. those who are most at risk. those are 18 to 24 years old. those are folks out of custody and were called in to receive the message that the violence must stop and it's community services giving the same message together with amount of service providers in the room. and again, the partnerships are really the key to that. one thing we have se