you lookdo at who dhitd people said they ghu knew their pollution was hurting their constituents. >> it's growing. >> that's what should be leading here. we should be leading with justice nowing we'll gete it right policies for climate and justice. >> what do you think about beto oroerk and jay insly. they seem to be mieving away from cap and trade programs and focusing on the carbon tax and more in terms of the framework electric cars and new technology. >> i don't know if it's better. i know those plans quite well. i would say they'raynot moving rom them. they're recognizing whats californiadoing, can which is that we have a carbon price. you needprect boy odiversity, make income generating for low income people. this is much more holistic. >> pleasure to have you both on. >> thank you. >>> and that will do it for us. as always you can fred of our coverage on kqed.com/newsroom. thank you for jg us. caioning sponsored by wnet >> sreenivasan: on this edition for suay, may 12: rising tensions betweenanhe u.s. and in our signature segment: venezuelans find refuge and a community, in a