they don't want to do it -- even if you lookk at the media, "the washington post" today, cnn, folks,y have trump gone in three months. they believe that in three months, they will have fractured trump's base,, i.e., you. >> jason: so what are the ramifications of this political showdown? joiningg us now is rnc chairwomn ronna mcdaniel and fox news political analyst gianno caldwell. thank you both foror joining us here. ronna, i want to start with you because the messaging from the democrats has been aboutth abolishing i.c.e., about open borders, about supporting sanctuary cities, not building the wall. how in the world do they have a winning message with the american people? >> they don't, jason. asn the american people learn that asylum claims are up 1700% over the past eight years, when they learned that 12,000 kids have come here unaccompanied and they are being held in the carea of hhs because they are coming without their parents to try to get into this country, when they hear all the things that are happening, that there are 800,000 cases right now pending in our courts for the