means committee, dave camp, chairman, they're working now on a tax reform package which would include lool closings -- loophole closing which would take time and that's something we don't have at the moment, time. but entitlement spending is where the action needs to take place. if we eliminated every penny we appropriate for every agency, including the military, if we did away with all discretionary spending, we'd still be in the red and the only place to go to get those kind of savings are in the entitlement sector. and i see nothing taking place from the white house to get control of that spending. >> if you don't have time for tax reform, closing corporate loopholes, how do you have time for entitlement reform before march 1? >> all the parties, by and large, have laid out over the last few years things that could be changed and modified to save those programs for the future by some reforms. so there's plenty of reforms laying around here that no one has picked up and put together, and that can only happen, i think, when the president, the head of the government, puts together a packag