loon. >> like stupid, foolish person. bill: correct.eople think it's a bird. >> many people believe it came from the bird the loon. but it actually came from the dutch word lon which means homeless -- homo stupidss it is spelled loon it means homo stupid e is s. bill: it is not a smart person. >> came from the word lunatic. and it came from latin word luna which means the moon. bill: somebody who is really out there? >> they saw crazy people came out with a full moon. bill: that's where loon came from. i love that marina scores. passionate? >> passionately comes from the word patty which means to suffer. where the word patient comes from, also. it's latin. pati. and the passion of the christ? it's actually an example of its original meaning. bill: so, in the beginning, the word was suffering. >> suffering. bill: the passion of the christ. how did it come into romantic word? >> somehow it developed into romantic word. i guess love hurts. >> love hurts. bill: do you think that's how it happened? >> i think so, yeah. bill: liberal. when wh

same thing with a plea bargain for the nigerian loon. but no one, no one has been able to put forth anything other than ideological arguments to support the trial deal. life or death situation, ladies and gentlemen, that is simply not good enough. that's a memo. the top story, does the president have a point? can the war on terror criticism go too far? joining us now from austin, texas, karl rove. i thought the iraq war criticism did go too far and i thought it cost us lives of american servicemen over there because it was so intense and the back and forth was so debilitating to the military, sapped morale, made decisions harder to make that even though iraq was controversial, i recognize it would have been better if america had come together. i think we're in the same position now. am i wrong? >> well, it is possible to take criticism too far. i think, for example, the accusation that bush lied about weapons of mass destruction was enormously hurtful to the country and inappropriate. but look, when on the surge, when president obama, th